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Old 07-07-2016, 12:29 PM #1
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No seriously this is such a silly argument, like who you want but I'm entitled to criticise it. It's no different from others saying someone like Lateysha is underrated, they clearly think she deserves more fans cause she's a good housemate - or are they not allowed to say that cause then they'd be defining what entertainment is?

Take it to its logical conclusion and you may as well close the forum down if no one can question a housemate's popularity
None of us care if you criticise our opinion, we just don't like how you pretty much regard our opinion as invalid/less important because it doesn't match the criteria you use to determine your favourites
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None of us care if you criticise our opinion, we just don't like how you pretty much regard our opinion as invalid/less important because it doesn't match the criteria you use to determine your favourites
Then you take my posts far too seriously I'm of the opinion that supporting housemates who aren't contributing to the series is detrimental to the show and without wanting to start a debate on that for the millionth time that's been my opinion year in, year out for the entirety of my time on this forum because I'm consistent

No one has to agree with that but I'm perfectly entitled to criticise people when they do not because I personally believe it has a negative effect on the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of. Again, you do not have to listen or care (and quite frankly I'm not sure why you would, I'm just some text on a screen) but I'm allowed to say so since that's the point of a forum, or else those who say x is underrated or y is a crap housemate are also defining what entertainment is and shouldn't be allowed to post that either

I know it's cause I'm in the minority these days and so it's easy to direct the criticism at me but I'm using the forum for what it's for so
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None of us care if you criticise our opinion, we just don't like how you pretty much regard our opinion as invalid/less important because it doesn't match the criteria you use to determine your favourites
Jack uses the logic that thhe biggest/loudest **** / takes up most the airtime is the best housemate. And I get it tbf, I can see why that makes sense to him. I just dont get why he doesnt understand that others dont like to watch it that way..
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Jack uses the logic that thhe biggest/loudest **** / takes up most the airtime is the best housemate. And I get it tbf, I can see why that makes sense to him. I just dont get why he doesnt understand that others dont like to watch it that way..
I do understand why others don't and have said it on many occasions, the fact I judge houseguests on BBUS and Can mainly on who I like as people should tell you that (in a strange way it's also quite liberating), but I still think it's a detrimental thought process to the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of

Everyone is welcome to judge housemates how they wish, and I'm obviously not going to turn anyone's opinion around (I am now a minority compared to a majority several years ago), but I'm also welcome to question the reasons some housemates are popular and say that I think it's bad for the show. The two don't cancel each other out, that is simply the point of a forum
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I do understand why others don't and have said it on many occasions, the fact I judge houseguests on BBUS and Can mainly on who I like as people should tell you that (in a strange way it's also quite liberating), but I still think it's a detrimental thought process to the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of

Everyone is welcome to judge housemates how they wish, and I'm obviously not going to turn anyone's opinion around m(I am now a minority compared to a majority several years ago), but I'm also welcome to question the reasons some housemates are popular and say that I think it's bad for the show. The two don't cancel each other out, that is simply the point of a forum

I agree with that
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I do understand why others don't and have said it on many occasions, the fact I judge houseguests on BBUS and Can mainly on who I like as people should tell you that (in a strange way it's also quite liberating), but I still think it's a detrimental thought process to the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of

Everyone is welcome to judge housemates how they wish, and I'm obviously not going to turn anyone's opinion around (I am now a minority compared to a majority several years ago), but I'm also welcome to question the reasons some housemates are popular and say that I think it's bad for the show. The two don't cancel each other out, that is simply the point of a forum
I dont think its detrimental at all, the show has improved week on week for me as the biggest twat left each time. Emma was great fun to watch, fun in the conventional sense, not fun as in shouts a lot and pisses housemates off. she'll be much more missed than Marco/Natalie/Georgina for that reason.

A lot of your posts have an undertone of 'my favourite is better than your facourite cus my favourite is louder and takes up more airtime' but nah, if the airtime somebody takes up pisses me off, that would make them a bad housemate, not a good one.
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I dont think its detrimental at all, the show has improved week on week for me as the biggest twat left each time. Emma was great fun to watch, fun in the conventional sense, not fun as in shouts a lot and pisses housemates off. she'll be much more missed than Marco/Natalie/Georgina for that reason.

A lot of your posts have an undertone of 'my favourite is better than your facourite cus my favourite is louder and takes up more airtime' but nah, if the airtime somebody takes up pisses me off, that would make them a bad housemate, not a good one.
Georgina's eviction week definitely wasn't as good as Natalie's, this series is a bit up and down but the quality has been good, just to varying levels. All that is though is proof that if you pick a cast with few duds (even Alex and Sam have had their moments) it will deliver

But in a general sense it is most definitely detrimental to the overall, objective success of the show. Evict a housemate who is the star of the series and creating lots of discussion and it is going to suffer since all of that discussion is wiped out and they're no longer around to provoke things happening. Now the argument that succeeds this is always 'yeah but then we see other housemates!' and I just think that's silly, because effectively you're evicting a housemate you know is contributing on the gamble that someone else may or may not step up to the plate, and 90% of the time they do not (this series is a notable exception because of the aforementioned good cast) so it's a pointless decision which has a negative affect on the series. There are also instances where it negatively affects ratings too, I'm not making this up - there's proof of it

Don't equate loud with good cause that's one of my pet hates, I have plenty of favourites who are the opposite of loud but of course I think my favourites are better, they're my damn favourites! What you and most viewers do though is think about what is best for your personal enjoyment of the show rather than what is best for the collective, and that's fine and a common 'obvious' way to think but it's also counterproductive to the success of a show you're claiming to be a fan of. A housemate may be annoying you, but is is far better that people have opinions on them and are talking about them than not!
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Georgina's eviction week definitely wasn't as good as Natalie's, this series is a bit up and down but the quality has been good, just to varying levels. All that is though is proof that if you pick a cast with few duds (even Alex and Sam have had their moments) it will deliver

But in a general sense it is most definitely detrimental to the overall, objective success of the show. Evict a housemate who is the star of the series and creating lots of discussion and it is going to suffer since all of that discussion is wiped out and they're no longer around to provoke things happening. Now the argument that succeeds this is always 'yeah but then we see other housemates!' and I just think that's silly, because effectively you're evicting a housemate you know is contributing on the gamble that someone else may or may not step up to the plate, and 90% of the time they do not (this series is a notable exception because of the aforementioned good cast) so it's a pointless decision which has a negative affect on the series. There are also instances where it negatively affects ratings too, I'm not making this up - there's proof of it

Don't equate loud with good cause that's one of my pet hates, I have plenty of favourites who are the opposite of loud but of course I think my favourites are better, they're my damn favourites! What you and most viewers do though is think about what is best for your personal enjoyment of the show rather than what is best for the collective, and that's fine and a common 'obvious' way to think but it's also counterproductive to the success of a show you're claiming to be a fan of. A housemate may be annoying you, but is is far better that people have opinions on them and are talking about them than not!
But this is exactly what youre doing, you completely understamd that youre the minority who likes the gob****es yet you want them in.. Thinking about your personal enjoyment is exactly what you are doing.. Exactly what everyone does and then theres a common vote for the most popular opinion..

If you had it your way, the three evictees and probably Andrew would still be there
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But this is exactly what youre doing, you completely understamd that youre the minority who likes the gob****es yet you want them in.. Thinking about your personal enjoyment is exactly what you are doing.. Exactly what everyone does and then theres a common vote for the most popular opinion..

If you had it your way, the three evictees and probably Andrew would still be there
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No it isn't, I'm thinking about what's best for the series itself. If I thought what was best for me then my favourites would be completely different and more along the lines of who I support in the US and Canada. I support housemates in the UK based on the objective contribution they are offering to the series since those housemates are the ones sparking discussions and drawing attention to the show and thus they need to stay for the success of the franchise. Nothing more, nothing less. If anything I'm doing y'all a favour

As a side note I understand I'm the minority but rewind a few years and I was part of a majority who thought like this, I honestly don't know what happened but I've watched things fall by the wayside on this forum over the years and now it's only me and a few others who are holding the fort while many others who once agreed have now turned to the dark side tragic, but what can you do?
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Georgina's eviction week definitely wasn't as good as Natalie's, this series is a bit up and down but the quality has been good, just to varying levels. All that is though is proof that if you pick a cast with few duds (even Alex and Sam have had their moments) it will deliver

But in a general sense it is most definitely detrimental to the overall, objective success of the show. Evict a housemate who is the star of the series and creating lots of discussion and it is going to suffer since all of that discussion is wiped out and they're no longer around to provoke things happening. Now the argument that succeeds this is always 'yeah but then we see other housemates!' and I just think that's silly, because effectively you're evicting a housemate you know is contributing on the gamble that someone else may or may not step up to the plate, and 90% of the time they do not (this series is a notable exception because of the aforementioned good cast) so it's a pointless decision which has a negative affect on the series. There are also instances where it negatively affects ratings too, I'm not making this up - there's proof of it
Exactly! I agree with this entire post, especially with the bolded part. I have always felt this way. Marco and Natalie may have annoyed me at times, but they both brought a lot to the show. The same goes with Georgina. They generated a lot of discussion and contributed to many of the story lines.

So unfortunately, whenever a big character is evicted, then BAM! It impacts everything! It means that a long host of potential/developing/interesting/intriguing/dynamic story lines go straight out the window in one large swoop - and that completely brings down the momentum and overall quality of the program.

Its foolish to act like huge personalities like Marco, Georgina, and Natalie leaving early do not hurt the show. I don't know why people don't understand this.
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The initial discussion made zero sense, you completely contradicted yourself whilst being blissfully unaware, which is pretty out of character for you because your posts usually make you out to be a pretty smart guy.

I can summarise your points to make it clearer why a lot of people on this thread have been confused by your logic

You want the show to be better by keeping the housemates that the majority dislike in
Illogical
You believe people dont know what they want to watch and only you know what they want to watch, so opinion polls are useless because they dont coinside with yours
Stupid and conceited
You believe your opinion trumps all elses, making it not much of a discussion at all, just a belittling egotist really
You usually come off better than this, today your posts were dumb.
Please refer me to the part of the discussion where I contradicted myself?

It isn't illogical, because if you'd paid attention to any of the arguments I'd presented you'd have noticed I kept repeating that housemates who are disliked are better than housemates people have no opinion on since shows like these thrive off of discussion - nobody is going to talk about a housemate that has little impact on anyone. As the saying goes, all publicity is good publicity and it doesn't matter whether people dislike certain housemates, that is a GOOD thing. People love to hate and housemates who incite discussion and opinions are beneficial to the show. Discussion equals attention and attention equals a successful series.

They don't know what they want to watch! You only need to sit back and observe this forum, other forums and social media to see the inevitable go down every series. A housemate that is divisive and domineering is chastised and people demand they are evicted, rinse and repeat for several weeks. These same people then complain the series is boring! It's like turkeys voting for Christmas, the majority of viewers watch the show through a subjective lens caring only about housemates they like as people (which is an entirely different discussion altogether that we won't go near). The problem is that if everybody does that, no one is thinking about the overall quality of the show! The majority of viewers are praising this series and a lot of that has to do with what has gone down, now it's all fine and dandy having opinions on who is right and wrong in arguments etc but once you start wanting people who are involved in the events that you think are making this series so good to be evicted - you are destroying it! You can't have an opinion on future incidents if said housemates aren't there to cause one can you? I'm going off on a tangent here but to add to all of this: there have been instances throughout BBUK's history where ratings have declined when a big character have been evicted, so I'm not making this up. People don't know what is best for the overall quality of the series

Of course I think my opinion trumps all else: it. is. my. ****ing. opinion. I've seen some idiotic things written on here in my eight years of membership but this criticism being bandied around all the time in different threads and to different members really is one of the worst of them all. It isn't much of an opinion if you don't believe it to be correct! It should go without saying that every post I type out on a discussion forum is my own opinion, I don't need to add the pointless 'IMO' to every one of them. The point of a forum is for you to post your opinion and debate with others why you think yours is right and theirs is wrong, otherwise what exactly is the point in us being here if we're all just going to concede 'yeah well that's my opinion and yours is yours so'...we may as well not post them and just keep our views to ourselves?

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Exactly! I agree with this entire post, especially with the bolded part. I have always felt this way. Marco and Natalie may have annoyed me at times, but they both brought a lot to the show. The same goes with Georgina. They generated a lot of discussion and contributed to many of the story lines.

So unfortunately, whenever a big character is evicted, then BAM! It impacts everything! It means that a long host of potential/developing/interesting/intriguing/dynamic story lines go straight out the window in one large swoop - and that completely brings down the momentum and overall quality of the program.

Its foolish to act like huge personalities like Marco, Georgina, and Natalie leaving early do not hurt the show. I don't know why people don't understand this.
With every person who posts something like this, my faith in this forums taste and sensibility is restored so thank you

I agree with every word you've said.
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Exactly! I agree with this entire post, especially with the bolded part. I have always felt this way. Marco and Natalie may have annoyed me at times, but they both brought a lot to the show. The same goes with Georgina. They generated a lot of discussion and contributed to many of the story lines.

So unfortunately, whenever a big character is evicted, then BAM! It impacts everything! It means that a long host of potential/developing/interesting/intriguing/dynamic story lines go straight out the window in one large swoop - and that completely brings down the momentum and overall quality of the program.

Its foolish to act like huge personalities like Marco, Georgina, and Natalie leaving early do not hurt the show. I don't know why people don't understand this.
That's just such an odd way of looking at it. The fact is that it's all subjective. Who is anyone to say that what hurts the show for them also hurts it for everyone else? That's not how it works, different people derive enjoyment from different things.

For me, Marco staying would have been a detriment to my enjoyment. The same for Natalie and the same for Georgina. If their evictions hurt the show for you, fair enough and you have every right to express that. What you don't have the right to do, however, is to basically say that this opinion of yours is, or at least should be, shared by everybody else otherwise they're "foolish". Their evictions didn't hurt the show for me. I'm not in denial about anything, I'm genuinely glad they're gone.

By the same token, I'll miss having Emma around but I don't, for some bizarre reason, expect the people who didn't like her to miss her just because I said that's the right way of thinking. There's nothing for people to "understand" because you're not working with facts here.

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