[arista]

[French teacher ‘pictured in Travelodge hotel
bed after having sex with a pupil on
prom night' is BANNED from the classroom
Devout Christian Isabelle Graham,28,
struck off for 'relations' with a pupil
Married teacher was seen
with a 17-year-old at Travelodge room at prom
She claimed drink was spiked and
she had 'no memory' of what happened
General Teaching Council for Scotland
has now banned her from teaching]


As If


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4IprX6CMT

[smudgie]

Devout Christian and adulteress are not what one expects to see in same sentence.
Sleeping with a pupil won't go down too well in church either I would think.

[Vicky.]

I actually don't get whats so horrific about sleeping with a 17 year old?

I know thats not the issue here though

[Vicky.]

I suppose what I mean is I don't get this 'teacher is authority' therfor even after school a relationship would go against you. Not sure I am putting this right but lets try this way...my husband a couple of years back went to college on a course. His teacher was like 35. There was a woman there who was actually 21 and ended up getting on really well with the teacher. But the teacher reckoned he could be sacked if he got with her? Despite her being way above legal age and stuff. They are actually together now but it has been like 3 years since he taught her

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I actually don't get whats so horrific about sleeping with a 17 year old?

I know thats not the issue here though

Because its HER pupil
thats Illegal

[Liam-]

I'm glad she got banned from teaching, it's not about his age, it's about her taking advantage of her position and having it off with a student, teachers are not allowed to get involved with their students, no matter how old they are.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I actually don't get whats so horrific about sleeping with a 17 year old?

I know thats not the issue here though

It's just nonsense

The argument is usually 'they're in a position of power', yeah and the supposed ~victim~ is of age and is more than capable in the eyes of the law of consenting. In fact, what's to say the 'power' aspect isn't a turn on for the person in question?

It's like you can't have your cake and eat it. Either you're able to make decisions about your body and what you do with it aged 16 or you're not, it's the business of no one else what happens outside the confines of a sixth form, college or uni to be honest

[Crimson Dynamo]

an idiot like this does not deserve to teach, silly stupid cow

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It's just nonsense

The argument is usually 'they're in a position of power', yeah and the supposed ~victim~ is of age and is more than capable in the eyes of the law of consenting. In fact, what's to say the 'power' aspect isn't a turn on for the person in question?

It's like you can't have your cake and eat it. Either you're able to make decisions about your body and what you do with it aged 16 or you're not, it's the business of no one else what happens outside the confines of a sixth form, college or uni to be honest

Well yes, does this extend to the likes of doctors of policemen? Like, if a policeman round here got with someone here, surely that is an abuse of power. Same for GPs, and other professions.

[Vicky.]

However, she is as far from a 'devout cristian' she could be, unless she whisked the pupil off to gretna green to get married first

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well yes, does this extend to the likes of doctors of policemen? Like, if a policeman round here got with someone here, surely that is an abuse of power. Same for GPs, and other professions.

Police people aren't allowed to get involved with anyone they're working with, if they're working with a victim, or close to a family, they're not allowed to get with them, while they're working with them, the same as GP's.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Police people aren't allowed to get involved with anyone they're working with, if they're working with a victim, or close to a family, they're not allowed to get with them, while they're working with them, the same as GP's.

Wow I didn't know this at all. Its nearly always teachers you hear about.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well yes, does this extend to the likes of doctors of policemen? Like, if a policeman round here got with someone here, surely that is an abuse of power. Same for GPs, and other professions.

It usually does as far as I'm aware

I still feel the same in those cases though, because the thing for me is this...it can't be 'abuse of power' if the person consents? If the person doesn't want to go through with it and they still do, then it's assault/rape in the way it usually would be. But if you consent and are willing, what exactly is the issue?

We live in this bizarre world where we are defined by our job title and our occupation becomes our life and once you leave work your private life doesn't become mutually exclusive well no sorry but it does

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Wow I didn't know this at all. Its nearly always teachers you hear about.

Yeah, it's for all jobs where you're seen as an 'authority figure' or you're in a profession where you're meant to be caring for people, I'll use Emmerdale as an example, a doctor got struck off because he had an affair with a patient, even though she was 17, if you're in a position of power and trust, you're meant to be the bigger person and look elsewhere, away from the people you're meant to be looking after, hence why it's not illegal, but it is severely frowned upon

[Crimson Dynamo]

there is no such thing as a devout christian, just another deluded hypocrite hiding allsorts behind a bible

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Wow I didn't know this at all. Its nearly always teachers you hear about.

Scotland rules

[Ammi]

..it isn't just about being consent age though..teachers are loco parentis/acting as a parent to schoolchildren in their care and in a position of trust...a school child can't consent and it be ok because it still would be like sexual harassment by the teacher as the student can't ever be equal to her in a school environment of her being authoritative over him...it's an abuse of trust/not just a consent age thing...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I actually don't get whats so horrific about sleeping with a 17 year old?

I know thats not the issue here though

At 17 he/she is over the age of consent but a teacher does have a 'duty of care' which means they shouldn't go there with a student. If teachers were able to bang on with over 16's in their classes willy nilly it would be even harder for teachers to get any respect in the classroom, not to mention there might be sexual harrassment from other youths not invited to the bedroom, there would be bragging, it would get out. Nah not a good idea from many perspectives.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Wow I didn't know this at all. Its nearly always teachers you hear about.

With teachers, they potentially have the power to pass or fail a student and thereby control their behaviour. Therefore it is an environment open to abuse. The rules are there to protect people and she knew those rules all to well.

Those in the medical profession have the power to cure/not cure illness. They are also dealing with vulnerable people hence why relations there are also a no no

[arista]

"it's an abuse of trust/not just a consent age thing... "


Well Said
Teacher Ammi.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

At 17 he/she is over the age of consent but a teacher does have a 'duty of care' which means they shouldn't go there with a student. If teachers were able to bang on with over 16's in their classes willy nilly it would be even harder for teachers to get any respect in the classroom, not to mention there might be sexual harrassment from other youths not invited to the bedroom, there would be bragging, it would get out. Nah not a good idea from many perspectives.

Sorry made me laugh but yeah agree of course

[user104658]

I find it a difficult question to answer to be honest, because the premise seems to rest on an idea that there are no power hierarchies to navigate once school is finished which is, of course, simply not the case. The age of consent - surely - is the age at which we say that people should be able to understand and navigate these relationships and not allow themselves to be exploited. That is the entire point of the age of consent. Is a 16 year old any more likely to be exploited by a teacher than an 18 year old school leaver is likely to be exploited by an employer? Is a 16 year old any more likely to trade "sex for grades" than an 18 year old school leaver is likely to trade sex for a promotion? etc... and if the difference is that it's 16-vs-18, then surely what we are saying is that 16 is NOT a suitable age of consent?

Hmm. Again, though, I think fairly easily solved by a staggered consent age. If 16-18's are not allowed to have sex with anyone over the age of say 21... then teachers are automatically taken out of the legality equation entirely. On an instinctual level, I do think it's fine for teenagers to be experimenting sexually with each other but engaging in a sexual relationship with an adult (not just a teacher - ANY adult) doesn't seem quite right. I'd question the motivations of any adult who is sexually pursues a 16/17 year old. They may sometimes be physically mature, even attractive, but any right-minded adult surely knows that beneath the superficial they are essentially still dealing with a child?

As a final side note... the idea that an adult student shouldn't be able to have a relationship with an adult teacher is plainly ridiculous. Again it is absolutely no different to an employer/employee situation. Colleges and Universities should simply have information about reporting harassment / exploitation available (as any workplace does) and leave people to form relationships with who they want.

[Cal.]

Her drink was spiked and she was unconscious was what I read?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I find it a difficult question to answer to be honest, because the premise seems to rest on an idea that there are no power hierarchies to navigate once school is finished which is, of course, simply not the case. The age of consent - surely - is the age at which we say that people should be able to understand and navigate these relationships and not allow themselves to be exploited. That is the entire point of the age of consent. Is a 16 year old any more likely to be exploited by a teacher than an 18 year old school leaver is likely to be exploited by an employer? Is a 16 year old any more likely to trade "sex for grades" than an 18 year old school leaver is likely to trade sex for a promotion? etc... and if the difference is that it's 16-vs-18, then surely what we are saying is that 16 is NOT a suitable age of consent?

Hmm. Again, though, I think fairly easily solved by a staggered consent age. If 16-18's are not allowed to have sex with anyone over the age of say 21... then teachers are automatically taken out of the legality equation entirely. On an instinctual level, I do think it's fine for teenagers to be experimenting sexually with each other but engaging in a sexual relationship with an adult (not just a teacher - ANY adult) doesn't seem quite right. I'd question the motivations of any adult who is sexually pursues a 16/17 year old. They may sometimes be physically mature, even attractive, but any right-minded adult surely knows that beneath the superficial they are essentially still dealing with a child?

As a final side note... the idea that an adult student shouldn't be able to have a relationship with an adult teacher is plainly ridiculous. Again it is absolutely no different to an employer/employee situation. Colleges and Universities should simply have information about reporting harassment / exploitation available (as any workplace does) and leave people to form relationships with who they want.

Yes this was the issue when my husband was at college. Scared of being sacked for a relationship with a 21 year old There should be no threats on his job for getting with a definite adult (meaning, not teen at all) woman.

[Johnnyuk123]

Teachers are employed to teach. And yes, she is not sex education teacher so her actions are deplorable. Even sex education teachers know it's out of bounds. So she got her just desserts.