[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I'm just reading up a bit about the school/education structure in Ireland.../which is obviously as you say, Niamh...

http://www.dochara.com/the-irish/facts/about-religion/


Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen, and no law may be made either directly or indirectly to endow any religion, or prohibit or restrict the free exercise thereof or give any preference, or impose any disability on account of religious belief or religious status, or affect prejudicially the right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending the religious instruction at the school, or make any discrimination as respects State aid between schools under the management of different religious denominations
Constitutionally the result is that Ireland is one of the most religiously free countries in the world.



While the constitution does not place one religion over another, this would be hard to detect when looking at the state education system. There is a system of free state funded primary (elementary) schools, known as National Scools, but these are invariably Catholic schools in all but name. Although pupils of any religion may, and do, attend, the schools are governed by boards chaired by the local Catholic bishop and the teaching of Catholic Religion is central to the curriculum.
Those who wish to attend a school where another religion is taught, or an inter-denominational or non-denominational one, can do so in privately run schools, though these do receive state funding. However these schools do not exist in many areas, or are over-subscribed, and the reality is that over 90% of primary schools are Catholic run. There are some moves by the government to rectify this situation, but the wheels seem to be turning slowly.
It’s often suggested that this lack of choice in schools is one of the reasons that people who no longer practice their Catholic religion, or who have essentially left religion behind, still have their children baptised – it’s all about getting a place at the local school.
At secondary (high school) level, the vast majority of schools, while funded by the state, are run by religious and have a faith based ethos, although in a time of dwindling vocations and aging congregations many have latterly turned over day to day management to* lay trusts.


...so it's (religion yes..)...but the abuse of power in that religion of people ... of the bishops who chair the school governing boards and decide on place preferences...(and those preferences being baptised Catholic children..)..?...and they're going against the whole constitution and ethos of a country and changes that it's striving for...

Yep in a nut shell Ammi. My daughters secondary school, like that article says, has a Catholic ethos but it's not anywhere near as invasive as primary school. They do religion as an exam subject but they learn about other religions and it's more of a study of them rather than this is how it is type of thing.....although they do still have a Catholic religion class too. I could opt her out of that but she doesn't want a fuss made, she just goes eventhough she thinks it's all BS

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep in a nut shell Ammi. My daughters secondary school, like that article says, has a Catholic ethos but it's not anywhere near as invasive as primary school. They do religion as an exam subject but they learn about other religions and it's more of a study of them rather than this is how it is type of thing.....although they do still have a Catholic religion class too. I could opt her out of that but she doesn't want a fuss made, she just goes eventhough she thinks it's all BS

..it's just such a wrong and contradictory thing in prejudicing against non faith/religion and yet a part of it being, teaching non-belief of religion as well as an option...(although some schools will teach religion itself in different ways, wherever the school, in the UK as well etc..)...the placings themselves, seem to be the abuse of power given to bishops in schools../maybe not all of them..?...but many of them..?...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it's just such a wrong and contradictory thing in prejudicing against non faith/religion and yet a part of it being, teaching non-belief of religion as well as an option...(although some schools will teach religion itself in different ways, wherever the school, in the UK as well etc..)...the placings themselves, seem to be the abuse of power given to bishops in schools../maybe not all of them..?...but many of them..?...

Yeah very much so Ammi

This is a good website too if you're interested

http://www.teachdontpreach.ie/2016/0...state-funding/

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah very much so Ammi

This is a good website too if you're interested

http://www.teachdontpreach.ie/2016/0...state-funding/

...yeah, I'm getting on my high horse a bit about this so I'll go off and read that now as well, thank you....I'm checking a few sites out atm..(not that any of them differ in their explanations of the Irish school structure ..)...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, I'm getting on my high horse a bit about this so I'll go off and read that now as well, thank you....I'm checking a few sites out atm..(not that any of them differ in their explanations of the Irish school structure ..)...

haha same......I think I need to spend the rest of the day in Chat and Games