[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have never heard of any one from the religions I quoted who believe in other gods

I don't know billions of people either.

Glad we cleared that up.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have never heard of any one from the religions I quoted who believe in other gods

one of the basic tenants of these religions is

"you cant belive in any other gods as this god is the one true god"

this they are atheist to all other gods

Someone like me is the same as them but i just go one god further

Dont many religions, christianity, muslim, have origins in the Jewish faith anyway? So isn't it technically the same god?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Dont many religions, christianity, muslim, have origins in the Jewish faith anyway? So isn't it technically the same god?

Ok, now you're delving a little too deep into it now. Don't go proving him wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't know billions of people either.

Glad we cleared that up.

No i mean by definition if you follow either of the 4 quoted you cannot so they do not exist

unless you somehow know different?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No i mean by definition if you follow either of the 4 quoted you cannot so they do not exist

Depends on your definition of "follow".

Christians don't kill homosexuals around these parts and there are gay people who go to church. So it's not really a blanket rule/generalisation that can be applied to a whole religion, all of its denominations and all of the people within it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Dont many religions, christianity, muslim, have origins in the Jewish faith anyway? So isn't it technically the same god?

No, the Jweish God is angry and smites people, the Christian one is nice and is actually Jesus and he is kind and loving, the muslim guy is a maverick and thinks he is the best god what with him being the youngest

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Depends on your definition of "follow".

Christians don't kill homosexuals around these parts and there are gay people who go to church. So it's not really a blanket rule/generalisation that can be applied to a whole religion, all of its denominations and all of the people within it.

no, the belief in no other gods is not a flip flop rule like stoning homosexuals

if you believe in other gods you aint in the club bruv


go ask a vicar, sadhu nor an iman

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

go ask a vicar, sadhu nor an iman

I take it you have?

Ok.

Religions aren't a club. There is no membership card. All are welcome into the houses of worship, there are no forms to fill in or any examinations.

[Braden]

DId you or did you not come for me, Ricky? (I'm an Agnostic (most people will not get that Drag Race reference but oh well )).

I did agree with mostly everything he said until the Agnostic comments. I will admit, he did cause me to doubt myself. The Santa Claus example is an accurate one to use, but the jumper one irked me a little bit. It's quite obvious to know that a jumper is not capable of creating the universe, but that's because it's a physical thing. God and religion is a much more powerful prospect, which is a lot less easier to doubt (imo).

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's always the atheists that are the experts on religion around here.

I'm not an atheist... fact, not everyone who has an opinion on religion is an atheist.

Are those who consider themselves religious automatically experts on religion?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not an atheist... fact, not everyone who has an opinion on religion is an atheist.

Are those who consider themselves religious automatically experts on religion?

Who said you were an atheist?

I don't remember speaking about you, to you or engaging you at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I take it you have?

Ok.

Religions aren't a club. There is no membership card. All are welcome into the houses of worship, there are no forms to fill in or any examinations.

i have and i have seen countless debates filmed on tv and on youtube where this topic is debated

Your argument seems to be well religions are up to the individual, i think you miss the point of these cults

I think the person you are thinking of does not exist, ironically

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i have and i have seen countless debates filmed on tv and on youtube where this topic is debated

Debated being the main point. There is no be all and end all rule.

There would be no debate if it were a simple open and close answer.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Dont many religions, christianity, muslim, have origins in the Jewish faith anyway? So isn't it technically the same god?

I've heard God often used interchangeably in-between people who follow opposing religions. I wouldn't say they agree on each other's definition of God but that maybe that each side feels one is closer than the other to the real truth. Though it really depends on the topic on how detailed those topics are about... there are many things religious folk can relate on with regards to discussions of God that don't come down to just doctrine. Those discussions usually comes from a place of humility but not always. First gen Americans who were raised around anti-West are more likely to bash opposing beliefs. Many churches where I am are fairly Americanized. Unless you're a politician or some sort of evangelist or some other delivery man for God's word, it's generally taboo to force religion down other people's throats. If you're dressed for church and are in a space where it's encouraged, otherwise you look like a fruitcake.

Maybe it's like football. They're all playing on different teams but within the same league (the human race)? Let the competitions begin and may the most worthy win?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who said you were an atheist?

I don't remember speaking about you, to you or engaging you at all.

Your post didn't specify therefore it appears to be a generalisation directed towards anyone who doesn't subscribe to a religious label, that would include me.
If you wish to avoid confusion try being a little more specific as to who you are attempting to patronise in future.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Your post didn't specify therefore it appears to be a generalisation directed towards anyone who doesn't subscribe to a religious label, that would include me.
If you wish to avoid confusion try being a little more specific as to who you are attempting to patronise in future.

Oh no, I made a generalisation? I fit in great in this thread then. Seems the irony went over your head?

Also, not everything is about you Kiz.

If I'm talking about atheists then that also isn't directed towards anyone who doesn't subscribe to a religious label. There are many non religious, non-atheist people.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh no, I made a generalisation? I fit in great in this thread then. Seems the irony went over your head?

Also, not everything is about you Kiz.

No you don't fit in , you can't sit with us.


It atch is.

[Johnnyuk123]

If i said that in my hand is a 50 pound note when clearly there is nothing in my hand at all would you believe me? No you would not. And you'd be right too refute it. So what are we left with? People say that they believe in god because.... to me it's real ( there is no evidence to prove that point of view) Meanwhile i still have a 50 pound note in the palm of my hand for those who can see beyond there being nothing in my hand at all. That's religion in a nut shell. Blind to reality, a leap of faith,the world is still flat right? god said so, well that book recons he said it. How did that go? Imagine if the Viz was picked up instead of that bible book of fairy stories? Today we would all be worshiping two fat slags and beheading folk for slating them for our fat slag faith.

[Livia]

Where in the Bible does it say the Earth is flat?

[Kizzy]

It says the meek shall inherit the Earth ... the flat bits, and all the twunts can have the hills.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Where in the Bible does it say the Earth is flat?

Nowhere, but it's repeated in several issues of The Unfunny Guide to Jokes.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

If i said that in my hand is a 50 pound note when clearly there is nothing in my hand at all would you believe me? No you would not. And you'd be right too refute it. So what are we left with? People say that they believe in god because.... to me it's real ( there is no evidence to prove that point of view) Meanwhile i still have a 50 pound note in the palm of my hand for those who can see beyond there being nothing in my hand at all. That's religion in a nut shell. Blind to reality, a leap of faith,the world is still flat right? god said so, well that book recons he said it. How did that go? Imagine if the Viz was picked up instead of that bible book of fairy stories? Today we would all be worshiping two fat slags and beheading folk for slating them for our fat slag faith.

You bring up these same things time and time again without any elaboration on what relevance they have?

Believing the world was flat wasn't a "religious" thing and was later proven incorrect by advancement in science and research that showed the earth was actually spherical.

No such proof has been offered to disprove any religion or the existence of a deity so the point of you bringing it up alludes us.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You bring up these same things time and time again without any elaboration on what relevance they have?

Believing the world was flat wasn't a "religious" thing and was later proven incorrect by advancement in science and research that showed the earth was actually spherical.

No such proof has been offered to disprove any religion or the existence of a deity so the point of you bringing it up alludes us.

Nope... they knew in the 6th century BC that the earth was not flat

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope... they knew in the 6th century BC that the earth was not flat

Yes, and... ?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, and... ?

Just trying to help jeeze... it wasn't advancement after the fact this was ancient knowledge way before the bible was written.