[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the junior doctors are effectively withholding care from patients, which is something that totally contradicts what being a doctor stands for. Just wait till the stories come out of all the affected patients, when no-one has any respect for them.

Disgusting behaviour by the doctors in my opinion.

But they are protecting patients in the long run. If this contract is imposed, patients will be much less safe.

[bots]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

But they are protecting patients in the long run. If this contract is imposed, patients will be much less safe.

absolute fiction

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

absolute fiction

Let's trust the minister who wrote a book about the privatisation of the NHS then?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

But they are protecting patients in the long run. If this contract is imposed, patients will be much less safe.

That is absolutely correct, the Junior Doctors know that, we do not and the govt. that does nothing as to work in hospitals does not either.

The Junior Doctors know this is a dangerous contract as to real 'quality' care of patients, that is why they are so against it.

Anything can look like it will work in theory, the practice of it is often a very different outcome.

The Junior Doctors further know, if patients suffer even more than now,after the imposition of this contract, then they will be the ones being blamed for the errors and things being overlooked.

Incredible to me, how so few blame the government handling of this and are so eager it appears to see public support for the Doctors to slip away.
If this was a Labour govt. 'forcing' a contract on the Junior Doctors,the criticism of that govt would be deafening probably on here.
Deafening from me too would it be as to whatever govt was in power,as for me the imposing of this contract is utterly wrong.

If it goes ahead,and is imposed against the will of the Junior Doctors, I do sadly hope that more and more Junior Doctors then throw in the towel and leave the English NHS, taking their badly needed skills and caring elsewhere, to a far more appreciative people and nation, rather than this one.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That is absolutely correct, the Junior Doctors know that, we do not and the govt. that does nothing as to work in hospitals does not either.

The Junior Doctors know this is a dangerous contract as to real 'quality' care of patients, that is why they are so against it.

Anything can look like it will work in theory, the practice of it is often a very different outcome.

The Junior Doctors further know, if patients suffer even more than now,after the imposition of this contract, then they will be the ones being blamed for the errors and things being overlooked.

Incredible to me, how so few blame the government handling of this and are so eager it appears to see public support for the Doctors to slip away.
If this was a Labour govt. 'forcing' a contract on the Junior Doctors,the criticism of that govt would be deafening probably on here.
Deafening from me too would it be as to whatever govt was in power,as for me the imposing of this contract is utterly wrong.

If it goes ahead,and is imposed against the will of the Junior Doctors, I do sadly hope that more and more Junior Doctors then throw in the towel and leave the English NHS, taking their badly needed skills and caring elsewhere, to a far more appreciative people and nation, rather than this one.

it is absolutely incorrect as Ive explained to you 101 times before...junior doctors work 19 hours less hours maximum per week on this contract than the old one. FACT. this contract simply spreads the weekend workload between more junior doctors. the junior doctors strike is purely about money, they want double time at weekends. simple.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

it is absolutely incorrect as Ive explained to you 101 times before...junior doctors work 19 hours less hours maximum per week on this contract than the old one. FACT. this contract simply spreads the weekend workload between more junior doctors. the junior doctors strike is purely about money, they want double time at weekends. simple.

It isn't and I know it isn't,which is why 2 of my Cousins who were Junior Doctors, have now left the NHS in England and are moving abroad now.
They were only concerned as to the welfare of the Patients long term and felt under this contract, they would be too far stretched with even less time for quality care too.

You and I do not agree on this issue and haven't all through however I always respect and should respect,that you have had really bad experiences as to the NHS in the past.

I do though know personally my Cousins, none of whom are greedy and just wanting more money.

However, they are 2, with 2 more to follow, who have now joined those who already have left the NHS and many others will follow if this contract is in fact imposed on Doctors.
If anyone really believes that will actually help the NHS or make for a much better 7 day service, a big shock as to that is more than likely now coming.
Once those Doctors are gone and are fully appreciated elsewhere, respect for their caring and skill coming then will be too late from those in England.
Very, very sadly in my view.