[Livia]

I've had the misfortune to experience the NHS quite a lot this year, with my mother's run of ill-health. It's a shambles. And for those who say the NHS is 24/7, you are sadly mistaken. Don't expect to see a doctor or get ANY kind of decision from a doctor over the weekend because it won't happen. There are plenty of doctors in casualty but don't expect one on the wards over the weekend unless it's a dire emergency, even in a stroke ward. No Physios or Occupational Therapists are available over the weekend so all progress stops for two days. And since my mother has been home she'll be visited by a district nurse in the morning to do one procedure and another in the afternoon to do something else. They waste money hand over fist. Someone needs to get hold of the NHS and teach them how to budget because right now it is run by what seems to be a bunch of happy amateurs and it's a very sad state of affairs for such a brilliant institution.

The junior doctors need to think about how they are perceived now and how else they can get their message across. At the start of this they had public backing, but the series of strikes coming up will, I predict, end that support.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've had the misfortune to experience the NHS quite a lot this year, with my mother's run of ill-health. It's a shambles. And for those who say the NHS is 24/7, you are sadly mistaken. Don't expect to see a doctor or get ANY kind of decision from a doctor over the weekend because it won't happen. There are plenty of doctors in casualty but don't expect one on the wards over the weekend unless it's a dire emergency, even in a stroke ward. No Physios or Occupational Therapists are available over the weekend so all progress stops for two days. And since my mother has been home she'll be visited by a district nurse in the morning to do one procedure and another in the afternoon to do something else. They waste money hand over fist. Someone needs to get hold of the NHS and teach them how to budget because right now it is run by what seems to be a bunch of happy amateurs and it's a very sad state of affairs for such a brilliant institution.

The junior doctors need to think about how they are perceived now and how else they can get their message across. At the start of this they had public backing, but the series of strikes coming up will, I predict, end that support.

Well you are not going to get physios and OTs with this imposition of this contract and in fact, you once indicated you were against solidly the imposition of this contract, calling it as I recall another nail in the Tories coffin at the time then.
Now with some escalation of action and yet still the imposition of this atrocious contract, you say the Doctors may lose support.

All this contract is going to do is create 'more' tired Doctors, not really help at all, and the added anger at anything 'imposed' will make things worse.

I know of many people who have now had scans done on a Sunday morning and you even state in your own post,any emergency care is in fact there at weekends if needed by Doctors.

What is needed is more of the social care aspect where many who are in hospital can be at home, hospital really should only be for emergency and ongoing needed observed care.
The imposition of this contract will do nothing to address that issue of vitally needed care and support for those out of hospital who do not really need to be in hospital,nor will it as to physios or Occupational Therapists, this contract only applies to Junior Doctors, not those groups.

It is trust managers for me,who should be the ones looked at,with their seemingly endless number of 'clipboard' staff walking round the place, contributing not a thing to hands on care.

Any govt. imposing unwanted and considered dangerous contracts on to top professionals who already know their duty and are overworked now,never mind under this contract, will help nothing and cause more disillusionment and loss of good Doctors as to and in the NHS.

It is your govt that is insisting on the imposing of this contract and I repeat again, the threat of imposing it being removed would stop any future action being taken immediately by all Doctors.

It is time this Health secretary, (as well as his predecessor Lansley should have too),learned how to talk to people and not at them.
This PM by leaving Hunt in place left the confrontation door wide open again as to this issue.
His smug and dismissive attitude causing more problems than it will ever solve in my view.

If I were a junior Doctor, I would do what my Cousins have and are doing, just leave, then go where I would be treated with appreciation and not be dictated to.
If you think that is right and the Doctors should lose support for that stance, I think that's unfair.
Also just why should Doctors in England have a contract imposed on them, when elsewhere in the UK such is not being done.

The Junior Doctors never just had selective support from me,they had and still have all my support.
It is his govt that has brought the situation to this point not the Doctors because of its refusal to remove the imposing of this contract on them.

Preferring to dictate to Doctors rather than work with them. you may possibly find that admirable,I never will and I hope others do not too and stick with giving support to the Junior Doctors over this shocking and unnecessary govt. policy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've had the misfortune to experience the NHS quite a lot this year, with my mother's run of ill-health. It's a shambles. And for those who say the NHS is 24/7, you are sadly mistaken. Don't expect to see a doctor or get ANY kind of decision from a doctor over the weekend because it won't happen. There are plenty of doctors in casualty but don't expect one on the wards over the weekend unless it's a dire emergency, even in a stroke ward. No Physios or Occupational Therapists are available over the weekend so all progress stops for two days. And since my mother has been home she'll be visited by a district nurse in the morning to do one procedure and another in the afternoon to do something else. They waste money hand over fist. Someone needs to get hold of the NHS and teach them how to budget because right now it is run by what seems to be a bunch of happy amateurs and it's a very sad state of affairs for such a brilliant institution.

The junior doctors need to think about how they are perceived now and how else they can get their message across. At the start of this they had public backing, but the series of strikes coming up will, I predict, end that support.

How will ending the junior doctors strike provide physios or OTs on a weekend? Your mother receives two home visits a day that is a fantastic level of care of which many would be over the moon with.
I'm wondering if what she has done is something family could help with? it would free up a valuable visit.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How will ending the junior doctors strike provide physios or OTs on a weekend? Your mother receives two home visits a day that is a fantastic level of care of which many would be over the moon with.
I'm wondering if what she has done is something family could help with? it would free up a valuable visit.

It's so tiresome having to explain these things, but here we go...

I mentioned physios and OTs because people are saying that the NHS is already a 24 hour service which it is not.

Two visits by two different nurses when one visit to do two things would have been enough is madness and it's typical of the bloody shambles that is the NHS.

It is nothing whatsoever to do with you to suggest that my mother's treatment could be carried out by the family. What a ****ing nerve....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's so tiresome having to explain these things, but here we go...

I mentioned physios and OTs because people are saying that the NHS is already a 24 hour service which it is not.

Two visits by two different nurses when one visit to do two things would have been enough is madness and it's typical of the bloody shambles that is the NHS.

It is nothing whatsoever to do with you to suggest that my mother's treatment could be carried out by the family. What a ****ing nerve....

If you don't wish to discuss things a discussion forum is mot the best place for you is it?

Again regardless of what happens to the contracts it won't impact on any other service, junior doctors do work 7 days however therefore their service is 24/7.

It was not designed to cause offence at all, they may have separate specialisms perhaps?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you don't wish to discuss things a discussion forum is mot the best place for you is it?

Again regardless of what happens to the contracts it won't impact on any other service, junior doctors do work 7 days however therefore their service is 24/7.

It was not designed to cause offence at all, they may have separate specialisms perhaps?

Actually, it was something one nurse could have done in one visit. THEY said that, not me. District nurses are rushed off their feet at the best of times so it would help if they, or whoever does the rotas, could be a bit more organised.

I used my mother's experience as an anecdotal reference which was valid. It's not your business whether she needs nursing care or the family could do it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Actually, it was something one nurse could have done in one visit. THEY said that, not me. District nurses are rushed off their feet at the best of times so it would help if they, or whoever does the rotas, could be a bit more organised.

I used my mother's experience as an anecdotal reference which was valid. It's not your business whether she needs nursing care or the family could do it.

One error is not indicative of a failing service.

You have made that clear, by asking me the same was that you making that point or just being facetious?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

One error is not indicative of a failing service.

You have made that clear, by asking me the same was that you making that point or just being facetious?

If it was one error that would be amazing. But is isn't... It's been a series of ridiculous **** ups. For instance, she's been prescribed Warfarin when her stroke was due to a bleed, not a clot, and Warfarin could have killed her. Luckily, the family spotted it. There's been a whole host of mistakes that've come one after another.

That was me making a point. Obviously.