[Niamh.]

Seems very OTT tbh

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

If these people put as much time and effort into following the rules there wouldn't be any kind of problem. If they don't like the school rules maybe they should try to get their little angels into a school where they can "express themselves".

If more schools put the effort into actually educating and having a reputation for that rater than enforcing certain 'rules' perhaps, which schools are allowed to express themselves?.. Apart from faith schools that don't have to follow any curriculum, but by god the dress code is bang on!

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Seems very OTT tbh

not if its a recognised method of identifying troublemakers and rectifying the problem. If parents truly want their kids education improved, they would applaud and support the school in its attempts to do so

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

not if its a recognised method of identifying troublemakers and rectifying the problem. If parents truly want their kids education improved, they would applaud and support the school in its attempts to do so

Suede shoes = potential serial killer?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Suede shoes = potential serial killer?

in a school with problems, attitudes of parents and pupils are very important. They are there to learn, not compare shoes. The school is basically setting its stall out in creating a controlled educational environment. If people want to question that, they should do so after giving the school the opportunity to resolve the educational deficiencies. Its identifying those that want to be obstructive, and that can only be good.

[Kizzy]

If schools insist on regulation then perhaps they should provide regulation appropriate attire?
It would remove this trial and error approach.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

in a school with problems, attitudes of parents and pupils are very important. They are there to learn, not compare shoes. The school is basically setting its stall out in creating a controlled educational environment. If people want to question that, they should do so after giving the school the opportunity to resolve the educational deficiencies. Its identifying those that want to be obstructive, and that can only be good.

mmm, pretty much all schools here have uniforms which is fine, it makes life easier for both me and my kids tbh but at the end of the day kids aren't robots either, they should be allowed some from of expression imo be that with their hair or with shoes (as long as it doesn't cause a health and safety issue)

[Vicky.]

Jesus christ..I could understand it if they were black but covered in multicoloured rhinestones or something, but those are just *****g black shoes.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm, pretty much all schools here have uniforms which is fine, it makes life easier for both me and my kids tbh but at the end of the day kids aren't robots either, they should be allowed some from of expression imo be that with their hair or with shoes (as long as it doesn't cause a health and safety issue)

i don't disagree, but that type of environment is to be encouraged, only after you have repaired what is a flawed school. The first thing to put in place is educational discipline, create a non disruptive environment for learning, then make it fluffy for everyone once its on solid ground

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't disagree, but that type of environment is to be encouraged, only after you have repaired what is a flawed school. The first thing to put in place is educational discipline, create a non disruptive environment for learning, then make it fluffy for everyone once its on solid ground

I'm not sure making a stand on something as trivial as this will help calm a disruptive pupil though, surely it would have the opposite effect?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not sure making a stand on something as trivial as this will help calm a disruptive pupil though, surely it would have the opposite effect?

it serves 2 purposes. It's the heads way of saying to the education authority .... look ... how can i improve a school as disruptive as this .... it also zooms in on parents likely to be obstructive. They can deal with kids .... parents are more difficult .... and this identifies them on day 1.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it serves 2 purposes. It's the heads way of saying to the education authority .... look ... how can i improve a school as disruptive as this .... it also zooms in on parents likely to be obstructive. They can deal with kids .... parents are more difficult .... and this identifies them on day 1.

They could also be causing parents to get their backs up because of sheer stupidity imo. To me those shoes looks perfectly acceptable, if I spent alot of money buying my child a pair of shoes (and they're not cheap) only to be told that the plain black shoes I got aren't plain enough, I'd be pretty annoyed and probably a fair chunk out of pocket. I mean, those shoes pictured don't, to me, scream "rebel without a cause" they look like shoes a parent who was trying to follow the rules would buy

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't disagree, but that type of environment is to be encouraged, only after you have repaired what is a flawed school. The first thing to put in place is educational discipline, create a non disruptive environment for learning, then make it fluffy for everyone once its on solid ground

If this was the only issue facing the schools system in the UK then fine...but it isn't.
It's all well and good to focus on 'failing' schools .. like hospitals this is a dupe to introduce .special measures', whilst the academies and free enterprise privatised ventures or faith schools have no such regulation or statutory measures to meet.

You have to ask yourself what is the bigger picture here, why is one under performing school thrust into the media spotlight?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its about rules and showing who is in charge. Try turning up for work 10 mins late all week and try and say 'its only 10 minutes ffs'

The school has rules like life has rules. Follow them or find a new school. Dead simple

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its about rules and showing who is in charge. Try turning up for work 10 mins late all week and try and say 'its only 10 minutes ffs'

The school has rules like life has rules. Follow them or find a new school. Dead simple

Me everyday tbh

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Me everyday tbh

LOL... you bad.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They could also be causing parents to get their backs up because of sheer stupidity imo. To me those shoes looks perfectly acceptable, if I spent alot of money buying my child a pair of shoes (and they're not cheap) only to be told that the plain black shoes I got aren't plain enough, I'd be pretty annoyed and probably a fair chunk out of pocket. I mean, those shoes pictured don't, to me, scream "rebel without a cause" they look like shoes a parent who was trying to follow the rules would buy

Indeed. Also black leather shoes tend to be a lot more expensive than other black shoes..I can imagine lower income people struggling, especially when the restg of the uniform is paid for too

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its about rules and showing who is in charge. Try turning up for work 10 mins late all week and try and say 'its only 10 minutes ffs'

The school has rules like life has rules. Follow them or find a new school. Dead simple

Oddly enough, I have never got into trouble for this Bosses just roll their eyes about it and make a sarcastic comment

[Tom4784]

The headtwat is preventing kids from learning in order to follow what is a pointless rule. There's no defending it and there's nothing sadder than depriving kids of a day's schooling to enforce a pedantic rule that serves no purpose.

Rules that don't serve a purpose should not be rules in the first place.

You could probably find those shoes in the pictures in the bargain bin of a George store so it's not about status since none of those shoes are designer in any way. The headtwat just wanted to flex his muscles and it cost a bunch of kids a day of education for no real reason.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Me everyday tbh

and your boss is..........

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The headtwat is preventing kids from learning in order to follow what is a pointless rule. There's no defending and there's nothing sadder than depriving kids of a day's schooling to enforce a pedantic rule that serves no purpose.

Rules that don't serve a purpose should not be rules in the first place.

You could probably find those shoes in the pictures in the bargain bin of a George store so it's not about status since none of those shoes are designer in any way. The headtwat just wanted to flex his muscles and it cost a bunch of kids a day of education for no real reason.

The shiny-ish ones, I am sure I saw them in shoezone a few weeks back for 4 quid, when I was looking for school shoes for my kids

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Indeed. Also black leather shoes tend to be a lot more expensive than other black shoes..I can imagine lower income people struggling, especially when the restg of the uniform is paid for too



Oddly enough, I have never got into trouble for this Bosses just roll their eyes about it and make a sarcastic comment

exactly, infact I think it would have the complete opposite effect of what stamping down their authority is trying to achieve, widen the divide between lower income families and making the us and them feeling even bigger.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and your boss is..........

No one tells me what to do

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No one tells me what to do

Poor Gav

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's character building to express your individuality ... the fact this is being phased out of existence is heartbreaking.

Exactly.

And tbh if we just kept letting stupid rules stay in place because "it's the rules" then I dread to think what the world would be like by now.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm, pretty much all schools here have uniforms which is fine, it makes life easier for both me and my kids tbh but at the end of the day kids aren't robots either, they should be allowed some from of expression imo be that with their hair or with shoes (as long as it doesn't cause a health and safety issue)

The problem with Schools is that they take away any of your own expression away from you and try and mold you into what they like (kinda like Simon Cowell actually lol) it's a horrible experience as I'm an individual and I do not like being told off for doing nothing wrong.

And this rules are rules argument that a few people on here are using to defend the head (who's in the wrong) the question I want to ask you is that do you agree with the rules? Because said rules being defended do not serve a single purpose other than to be controlling and make students feel less comfortable with the environment which is surely a bad thing?