[joeysteele]

Whether I like a celebrity or not, for me if anyone has managed to get themselves noticed,managed to get TV shows etc; to the point where they pull in viewers and supporters more generally.

Then they are famous and have deserved their fame.

Kim certainly is,in my opinion, in the 'is famous' category.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Greg!

She's an absolute legend and she's got an amazing personality. And she's definitely not talentless, the way she's managed to make herself one of the most famous people who has ever lived is incredible an shows that she is more intelligent than people give her credit for.

So yes she does deserve to be famous

She kept her fame after the sex tape because she's "white" with a fat ass (fake), just like a fat ass propelled JLO to stardom. Her "business" is ran by her obsessed momager.

And now Kendal is getting all the gigs and such because of her name and models that have worked for years were rightfully angry. Same with that annoying Kylie

[empire]

if kim kept her natural born unibrow, we wouldn't want to know a thing now would we, have you seen her with out make-up, yuck,

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cal.

I know she was criticised for years for 'being famous for being famous' but I'm interested to see if people still hold that view?

For me personally, she definitely deserves her fame. She's a marketing genius and she's worked hard for her success. She's a businesswoman first and foremost and she's capitalised on her assets and not only created an empire for herself - but also made herself one of the most famous women to ever live. She's this generation's Marilyn Monroe. She's a cultural icon.

It's just a shame that some people still think she doesn't deserve her fame and she's famous for nothing. What are your thoughts on the issue?

(Personally I think it's a Serious Debate and News worthy as it's very culturally relevant since Kim is a role model to the youth of today)

...I guess that I hate comparisons of having to be this generations this or that person...'this person is the new :insertname:'....when people are so different/times are so different etc...why can't they just be individuals in their own right and not compared...I think it was someone from Givenchy that made the Kim Kardashian/Marilyn Monroe comparison, wasn't it Cal..?...

...anyways, to compare them in every way would mean comparing personal career achievements as well and that's where it would all fall apart a bit...but I do think there are some similarities though...Marilyn was a bit before my time but it seems that a large part of her celebrity/her 'iconic' was an interest in her personal life which was quite controversial obviously...so a similarity there..?...and Marilyn knew how to work that media as does Kim...making the right entrance/wearing the right dress etc..both very much in charge of themselves there and very much in charge of their celebrity...neither being taken quite seriously as well..?...both seen as 'the dumb' and bimbo type females..?..yeah, I can see that as well...

..it's funny because we have some children from an African village come to stay with us each year and their visions of 'celebrity and aspirations/role models' etc aren't very balanced...they're very media driven with the big glossy magazines etc and pics of what are seen as beautiful/glamorous ladies...and in one conversation about 'who/what would you like to be'...Kim Kardashian's name came up quite a lot with the young girls...it could have been Angelina with her acting accomplishments and her charity works etc, who was admired but no...Kim I think is a much bigger celebrity to some..so that's subjective as well/celebrityism...yeah, I know that's not a word but I like it...


...anyways, I've got a bit off course, I'm still quite sleepy but I think yes, she very much deserves to be famous and deserves her celebrity...regardless of her career accomplishments (or lack of them or whatever..)...she's very much an icon of her time...I like her actually, she's always seemed like a very nice lady to me..(sorry CeeCee...)...

[Ammi]

....hmmmm, thinking about it...we analyse/we criticise/we judge so much..that's what we do so then we think 'do they deserve' or whatever but when you strip it back to people who don't do those things and the negative and real negative images that become some people's daily environments then yes..Kim Kardashian, a beautiful lady smiling from a magazine cover etc is very much a positive 'role model' and very much an icon of the day...(whether that feel shallow or not etc..)...

[Ammi]

..maybe over-thinking it a little...