[Niamh.]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ts-son-8865655

[bots]

i remain to be convinced that what happened is as straightforward as is being made out.

[Marsh.]

And they didn't think something could have happened at this building site linked to the parents' friends 25 years ago?

If that was me, that would have been my first worry.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i remain to be convinced that what happened is as straightforward as is being made out.

Maybe not but you enter murky moral territory there. The guy is dead and has successfully dodged any sort of justice (unless you believe in hell etc.). It seems pretty clear that he killed the child, accidentally or otherwise. Would it not then be better to believe that he died quickly in an accident on the building site due to some sort of professional negligence, than to keep digging and discover some untold suffering? Would that "truth" help anyone? If it was a matter of catching and dealing with the person who did it then I would say worth it... when you're looking to rage at a corpse, it seems pointless.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And they didn't think something could have happened at this building site linked to the parents' friends 25 years ago?

If that was me, that would have been my first worry.

I think they did yeah but the investigation led no where

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe not but you enter murky moral territory there. The guy is dead and has successfully dodged any sort of justice (unless you believe in hell etc.). It seems pretty clear that he killed the child, accidentally or otherwise. Would it not then be better to believe that he died quickly in an accident on the building site due to some sort of professional negligence, than to keep digging and discover some untold suffering? Would that "truth" help anyone? If it was a matter of catching and dealing with the person who did it then I would say worth it... when you're looking to rage at a corpse, it seems pointless.

what if he was a member of some ring, and that ring are just taking advantage of the fact he has died. It's speculation of course, but I'm just not convinced this latest story should be taken as an absolute fact after all this time.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think they did yeah but the investigation led no where

Sounds like a ballsed up investigation from start to finish, not unlike the McCann case.

[Ammi]

..the building going on was talked about all the way through, that there could have been an accident..?...but I don't think that it was considered to look off the property for his remains, which is what is being said now..(ughh, I hate saying that...)....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Sounds like a ballsed up investigation from start to finish, not unlike the McCann case.

..yeah, it's incredible isn't it...mind you, I don't know that much about the investigations I have to say...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..the building going on was talked about all the way through, that there could have been an accident..?...but I don't think that it was considered to look off the property for his remains, which is what is being said now..(ughh, I hate saying that...)....

Exactly, they considered the possibility (even likelihood?) of an accident but not that someone already knew and had removed the evidence. So when they didn't find him on the site, they would have moved on to other considerations.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, they considered the possibility (even likelihood?) of an accident but not that someone already knew and had removed the evidence. So when they didn't find him on the site, they would have moved on to other considerations.

..yeah and it's not just that he's (allegedly..)...lived all of these years with the actual act, it's how he's covered it up from the beginning as well to ensure that Ben wasn't found...I mean it's just something that wouldn't have been considered because it's so unbelievable now...that someone could do something like that/could live each day knowing that they had....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Sounds like a ballsed up investigation from start to finish, not unlike the McCann case.

The only balls up in the McCann case was letting the UK Police get involved imo and not properly investigate the McCanns

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The only balls up in the McCann case was letting the UK Police get involved imo and not properly investigate the McCanns

It actually seems pretty bizarre when you think about it. If, say, a family from another country was on holiday in the UK and were the victims of a crime, I would imagine it would be considered pretty unusual to have detectives from their country come over and interfere with the investigation?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It actually seems pretty bizarre when you think about it. If, say, a family from another country was on holiday in the UK and were the victims of a crime, I would imagine it would be considered pretty unusual to have detectives from their country come over and interfere with the investigation?

Absolutely, it's really strange. I could understand it if the Police had shelved the investigation after a few years and they then allowed the "home countries" police to have a look over it but not during the investigation

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Absolutely, it's really strange. I could understand it if the Police had shelved the investigation after a few years and they then allowed the "home countries" police to have a look over it but not during the investigation

Yeah, as soon as they were showing signs of "giving up" even, but they weren't... The investigation was still very much ongoing when British police got involved.

Danger of this becoming a Maddie thread though Niamh, you said that wasn't happening!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah, as soon as they were showing signs of "giving up" even, but they weren't... The investigation was still very much ongoing when British police got involved.

Danger of this becoming a Maddie thread though Niamh, you said that wasn't happening!

I know Ok zipping it now

[Niamh.]

I feel so bad for that woman

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...FB_mirror_main

[Jack_]

A photographer? Really?

Grim reporting

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I feel so bad for that woman

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...FB_mirror_main

It really is heartbreaking.

Just as with any funeral, it is the real and visible grief and heartbreak of those bereaved which tends to be more moving and sad than the actual passing of the person who is being interred, and the Needham's utter grief after all this time is the same.

I have often been lambasted for claiming that 'Evil' is a real entity, but cases such as this only reinforces my view, because SOMEONE, somewhere, KNOWS exactly what really happened to little Ben, and they KNOW the grief and heartbreak which is consuming and destroying his family, so WHY can't that someone just send an anonymous message to the police or media informing the family just where little Ben's remains are if he is dead, or that he is grown, healthy and safe, if he is still alive?

There is no danger to the abductors/killers in giving this poor family some closure, but it is like those evil child killers who sit on Death Row in American prisons who laughingly refused to divulge to grief-struck families of victims, where the bodies are - EVIL.