[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I agree, but you missed one L.T. - when they are serial cheaters themselves.

This latter means that the reasons for marrying in the first place had nothing to do with Love, Respect, Care etc and a whole lot to do with the first two you list.

Which brings me neatly back to the type of women which I outlined as being the type to move in Trump's and and other 'High Profile (Thanks BOTS ) men's world, who gladly suffer being groped/sexually assaulted used/abused, because - in their calculating minds - it is acceptable and part of the price they are willing to pay to be moved closer to their objective of being elevated into that world.

Like that woman who was actually the topic of conversation in that audio released? Oh no that's right she turned him down

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Like that woman who was actually the topic of conversation in that audio released? Oh no that's right she turned him down

No Niamh - NOT like THAT woman at all, because she obviously does not belong to that category of women who I have been referring to.

Why do I feel that I am ever on the defensive here?

I have made my point very clear over several posts.

I am and have been, referring to a specific type of woman who has different moral values than other 'ordinary' women.

I am not defending Trump, merely trying to explain that in his world - a totally alien world to that inhabited by we 'ordinary' mortals - the type of woman exists who DO tolerate sexual behaviour from Rich, Powerful and Famous men which would send any 'ordinary' woman running.

And they 'tolerate' and accept such behaviour because, in their calculations, being subjected to such behaviour - being 'moved on' - is moving them closer to their objective of being elevated INTO that world of the Rich, Powerful, and Famous.

Some very famous actresses of the distant and not so distant past have accepted such behaviour from powerful Directors and Film Studio Moguls on the infamous 'Casting Couch', as a means of 'making it to the top of the movie world', and there was no shortage of young women - some stunningly beautiful and intelligent - who lived within the Playboy Mansion, who were quite willing to answer Hugh Hefner's summons at any time of night and day.

Hugh Hefner! A revolting grey corpse of a man who made my skin crawl just looking at him.

And then there are the superficially 'glamorous barflies who allow themselves to be passed from footballer to footballer because they think it will elevate themselves into the glamorous life of the pro footballer's WAG.

These women do not frequent the local Working Men's Clubs or ordinary pubs and clubs of their native towns and cities - they MOVE to the places where the Rich, Powerful and Famous can be found.

I'm sorry, but in my opinion, such women are as equally culpable as the Trumps out there, because they are empowering them and enabling them to indulge in their sexist behaviour.

In these circumstances, 'sexploitation' is a 'two way street', because these women are really exploiting the sexual tendencies of such men, just as surely as those men are exploiting them.

Of course, there will be times when Trump gets reversals - when he sexually assaults a woman who does NOT belong in the category which I am referring to, and it is then that such women should make a formal complaint to the police.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No Niamh - NOT like THAT woman at all, because she obviously does not belong to that category of women who I have been referring to.

Why do I feel that I am ever on the defensive here?

I have made my point very clear over several posts.

I am and have been, referring to a specific type of woman who has different moral values than other 'ordinary' women.

I am not defending Trump, merely trying to explain that in his world - a totally alien world to that inhabited by we 'ordinary' mortals - the type of woman exists who DO tolerate sexual behaviour from Rich, Powerful and Famous men which would send any 'ordinary' woman running.

And they 'tolerate' and accept such behaviour because, in their calculations, being subjected to such behaviour - being 'moved on' - is moving them closer to their objective of being elevated INTO that world of the Rich, Powerful, and Famous.

Some very famous actresses of the distant and not so distant past have accepted such behaviour from powerful Directors and Film Studio Moguls on the infamous 'Casting Couch', as a means of 'making it to the top of the movie world', and there was no shortage of young women - some stunningly beautiful and intelligent - who lived within the Playboy Mansion, who were quite willing to answer Hugh Hefner's summons at any time of night and day.

Hugh Hefner! A revolting grey corpse of a man who made my skin crawl just looking at him.

And then there are the superficially 'glamorous barflies who allow themselves to be passed from footballer to footballer because they think it will elevate themselves into the glamorous life of the pro footballer's WAG.

These women do not frequent the local Working Men's Clubs or ordinary pubs and clubs of their native towns and cities - they MOVE to the places where the Rich, Powerful and Famous can be found.

I'm sorry, but in my opinion, such women are as equally culpable as the Trumps out there, because they are empowering them and enabling them to indulge in their sexist behaviour.

In these circumstances, 'sexploitation' is a 'two way street', because these women are really exploiting the sexual tendencies of such men, just as surely as those men are exploiting them.

Of course, there will be times when Trump gets reversals - when he sexually assaults a woman who does NOT belong in the category which I am referring to, and it is then that such women should make a formal complaint to the police.

I'm sorry Kirk but it does sound like you're making excuses for him just because "some" women accept his lecherous advances doesn't entitle him to test it out on any woman he comes across..whether they report him to the police or not, he's a scumbag

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm sorry Kirk but it does sound like you're making excuses for him just because "some" women accept his lecherous advances doesn't entitle him to test it out on any woman he comes across..whether they report him to the police or not, he's a scumbag

If you read Kirk's post you will clearly see that he states... I am NOT defending Trump.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

If you read Kirk's post you will clearly see that he states... I am NOT defending Trump.

I did read his post, thanks for your input Johnny but I'm sure Kirk can speak for himself

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm sorry Kirk but it does sound like you're making excuses for him just because "some" women accept his lecherous advances doesn't entitle him to test it out on any woman he comes across..whether they report him to the police or not, he's a scumbag

I assure you that I'm not excusing him Niamh - I went off Trump a long time ago, and I agree that he is revolting.

Nothing is as Black and White to me as it appears to be to most others on here.

I do not like Jeremy Corbyn, but I see certain qualities in him which I have to admit.

I am not attached to any Political Party, so I see some good points in Tory, Labour and UKIP Manifestos, and see some good politicians within each party.

Whereas, there are a number of people on TIBB who - because they dislike a Politician, or a Political Party, or A TV Star, or Donald Trump or Nigel Farage - cannot see, or will not admit to seeing - ANY good at all in the aforementioned.

Hilary Clinton is repulsive to me. Donald Trump is repulsive to me, but if I RECOGNISE some truth i what they happen to claim, then I will address it.

By addressing the fact that some women who Trump may have encountered may be a type which I recognise, I am not legitimising any sexist conduct or leanings on the part of Trump.

I'm sorry if - despite my constant explanatory posts - you still feel that I am excusing Trump, or condoning his behaviour, because I'm not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I assure you that I'm not excusing him Niamh - I went off Trump a long time ago, and I agree that he is revolting.

Nothing is as Black and White to me as it appears to be to most others on here.

I do not like Jeremy Corbyn, but I see certain qualities in him which I have to admit.

I am not attached to any Political Party, so I see some good points in Tory, Labour and UKIP Manifestos, and see some good politicians within each party.

Whereas, there are a number of people on TIBB who - because they dislike a Politician, or a Political Party, or A TV Star, or Donald Trump or Nigel Farage - cannot see, or will not admit to seeing - ANY good at all in the aforementioned.

Hilary Clinton is repulsive to me. Donald Trump is repulsive to me, but if I RECOGNISE some truth i what they happen to claim, then I will address it.

By addressing the fact that some women who Trump may have encountered may be a type which I recognise, I am not legitimising any sexist conduct or leanings on the part of Trump.

I'm sorry if - despite my constant explanatory posts - you still feel that I am excusing Trump, or condoning his behaviour, because I'm not.

Maybe it's because I'm a woman myself but hearing that audio and other comments he's made about women make him totally revolting and un suitable for the type of job he's going for.

It seems different to me with Donald, like with most Politicians you can see a good side and a bad side to them, with Donald Trump all i can see is a chauvinistic, racist and there's no way passed that for me

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Maybe it's because I'm a woman myself but hearing that audio and other comments he's made about women make him totally revolting and un suitable for the type of job he's going for.

It seems different to me with Donald, like with most Politicians you can see a good side and a bad side to them, with Donald Trump all i can see is a chauvinistic, racist and there's no way passed that for me

Have you ever witnessed groups of women talking about sex? loud lewd women disgusting all the most intimate details about what they like to do to men? Have you ever witnessed women at clubs to see male strippers? have you seen how they behave? the only difference is men never complain.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by the truth

Have you ever witnessed groups of women talking about sex? loud lewd women disgusting all the most intimate details about what they like to do to men? Have you ever witnessed women at clubs to see male strippers? have you seen how they behave? the only difference is men never complain.

..and there are equally many, many females who don't, please don't generalise ...and many, many males who don't see the 'joke' in sexual assault on females and would never think that what he said was ok in any way whatsoever...