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Originally Posted by Kizzy

And I agree it is all about conditioning, you see an intimidating figure...I see a woman in an ice cream van.

Your view that opposes some other views that some Niqab wearing Muslim women are 'conditioned' into doing so, is frankly baffling Kizzy.

There are hundreds of complaints from oppressed Muslim women denouncing this very practice of being intimidated and threatened and conditioned into wearing these types of medieval garments against their will.

Many young 'Anglicised' Muslim girls have even been murdered by their extremist families for NOT obeying these strict dress codes.

And for further proof that these women are 'conditioned' into this; read this below from a young Muslim woman, actually note the terminology, and the tell me that she is not 'conditioned' and even 'brain-washed':

Mahmood Vesali, I've studied in seminary school

What is the philosophy of necessity of hijab?

1. Safety or security with all its aspects is seen as one of those issues that has been sufficiently taken into consideration in Islamic thoughts. ‘Nudity’, which means no or bad covering in the society, may lead to horrible consequences such as make up, self-ornamentation, and coquettish behavior if it is underestimated or given little attention.

It in turn causes men, especially young ones, to be exposed to constant nervous stimulation, inflammation and false excitement, which are ephemeral and transient. This excitement and inflammation is such that it may turn the individual into a mental patient and hence make him do such acts that may consequently become the source of other corruptions and sins; as some of the scientists have pointed out: “there is no critical incident in which a woman is not involved.”

2. A very brief review of families’ attempts in different communities and the statistical review of the reasons behind ‘divorce’, this horrible phenomenon, sheds light on the point that violating family’s privacy, increasing nudity in human society, and disintegration of families consequently lead to bitter and heart-rending phenomenon of “children of divorce”. In fact in the free market of nudity, at least in non-sexual stage, woman is seen as a ‘common good’, and marriage loses its sanctity and purity between the two people, who belong to each other, and every day men and women are entrapped by other men and women and hence their family life is weakened

‘Hijab’ is an Arabic word which literally means to put on, to cover, curtain, veil or covering (noun); however, among all these meanings, curtain or veil is more common and as a result it has led many people to suppose that Islam wants women to always stay at home behind the curtains and not to go out. In this regard, the great scholar, Martyr Morteza Motahhari states: “Covering for women in Islam means that in their interactions with men, women cover their bodies and don’t try to exhibit themselves or have coquettish behavior”.

[1] The related verses in Qur’an as well as jurists’ Fatwa in this regard refer to and highlight this principle. The module for covering in Islam can be achieved via Qur’an and tradition sources. In related verses, the term ‘hijab’ is not directly used. In other words, the verses in this regard, in holy chapters of either Noor or Al-Ahzaab indirectly refer to the limitations with regard to dress code and the interaction between men and women without using the word ‘hijab’.

So the wearing of 'Western' attire by women will turn MEN - especially the young ones - into Mental patients.

FFS.