[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats where your whacking everybody with the same brush and ignoring individual differences comes in. Its a little naive, a little xenophobic and a little simplistic and quite dangerous.

Xenophobia is about having issues with people from other countries, I don't, that's your words not mine. I like meeting people from other countries and hearing about life in their countries.

I don't like controlling religions of which Islam is one of the worst. It is naive and stupid to underestimate the power and control they yield by indoctrination. That's what is actually dangerous as we are seeing every day.

Knowing a few Muslims who are not like that does not make your opinion an informed one or make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Of course people are different, we wouldn't be having this disagreement if they weren't, but religous ideology doesn't support differences and it's indoctrination goes very deep.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Xenophobia is about having issues with people from other countries, I don't, that's your words not mine. I like meeting people from other countries and hearing about life in their countries.

I don't like controlling religions of which Islam is one of the worst. It is naive and stupid to underestimate the power and control they yield by indoctrination. That's what is actually dangerous as we are seeing every day.

Knowing a few Muslims who are not like that does not make your opinion an informed one or make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Of course people are different, we wouldn't be having this disagreement if they weren't, but religous ideology doesn't support differences and it's indoctrination goes very deep.

This is true.I agree.Islam is still stuck in the past more than the other big two religions.It is still medieval in most Islamic societies.Yes there are more modernised western Muslims who have moved away from the more devout side but many in the west still haven't.Also most Muslims don't live in the west and when large numbers of them are introduced into civilised societies there is an unavoidable clash.The best thing would be for those backward Islamic countries to move forwards into the present but that can take hundreds of years.Judaism and Christianity weren't always as forward thinking as they've become and Islam is still younger by a few hundred years.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Xenophobia is about having issues with people from other countries, I don't, that's your words not mine. I like meeting people from other countries and hearing about life in their countries.

I don't like controlling religions of which Islam is one of the worst. It is naive and stupid to underestimate the power and control they yield by indoctrination. That's what is actually dangerous as we are seeing every day.

Knowing a few Muslims who are not like that does not make your opinion an informed one or make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Of course people are different, we wouldn't be having this disagreement if they weren't, but religous ideology doesn't support differences and it's indoctrination goes very deep.

I think this is pretty well said. I'm one of the most accepting people out there, I've travelled my whole life... but calling people xenophobic, racist etc, when they just arent is just plain pathetic. Look at who the US have as a president now. Its (imo) because so many people throw out the 'Racist!!!' 'Sexist!!!' 'Xenophobic!!!!' etc insult when they are losing an argument and don't want other people to see the opposite belief to theirs as something worth listening to.

And like I've said before, I dont post in serious debates very often, because I'm not that great at typing things out... but I'm very passionate about my beliefs and the name calling/ganging up on those with this type of beliefs is pretty disgusting.

I'm not all that surprised though. So many people on the internet have this really irritating 'We must accept everyone for who they are, unless they say something we dont like' ideology.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by FeLEZNavidad

I think this is pretty well said. I'm one of the most accepting people out there, I've travelled my whole life... but calling people xenophobic, racist etc, when they just arent is just plain pathetic. Look at who the US have as a president now. Its (imo) because so many people throw out the 'Racist!!!' 'Sexist!!!' 'Xenophobic!!!!' etc insult when they are losing an argument and don't want other people to see the opposite belief to theirs as something worth listening to.

And like I've said before, I dont post in serious debates very often, because I'm not that great at typing things out... but I'm very passionate about my beliefs and the name calling/ganging up on those with this type of beliefs is pretty disgusting.

I'm not all that surprised though. So many people on the internet have this really irritating 'We must accept everyone for who they are, unless they say something we dont like' ideology.

Firstly, there was very clear examples of xenophobia in this thread before half the posts were deleted. Its fine to call people out on sexism/racism too if and when you see it.
Secondly, i have never met anybody who is accepting of all opinions. What kind of person would they be? Do you know any?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Firstly, there was very clear examples of xenophobia in this thread before half the posts were deleted. Its fine to call people out on sexism/racism too if and when you see it.
Secondly, i have never met anybody who is accepting of all opinions. What kind of person would they be? Do you know any?

No there weren't, you are clearly confusing an intolerance of people from other countries with an intolerance of controlling religons, so don't use deleted posts as an excuse for making such an unfounded claim.

You don't have to accept all opinions just don't be so insulting when you don't agree with others.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No there weren't, you are clearly confusing an intolerance of people from other countries with an intolerance of controlling religons, so don't use deleted posts as an excuse for making such an unfounded claim.

You don't have to accept all opinions just don't be so insulting when you don't agree with others.

I mean all you have done here is announce that you have an intolerance to specific groups of people and then told me not to be insulting. As if members and guests viewig the forum from the religion youre intolerant towards wouldnt be insulted by you.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean all you have done here is announce that you have an intolerance to specific groups of people and then told me not to be insulting. As if members and guests viewig the forum from the religion youre intolerant towards wouldnt be insulted by you.

You don't speak for others, only yourself. This is still a free country and anyone is well within their rights to criticize dubious religous practice including Islam - it is not untouchable.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You don't speak for others, only yourself. This is still a free country and anyone is well within their rights to criticize dubious religous practice including Islam - it is not untouchable.

Probs best to avoid giving lectures on insults though if ya do in future though.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean all you have done here is announce that you have an intolerance to specific groups of people and then told me not to be insulting. As if members and guests viewig the forum from the religion youre intolerant towards wouldnt be insulted by you.

Maybe they wouldn't, that is a big problem in the UK assuming others are bothered or insulted when they really aren't, they might actually agree! I'm catholic but I don't agree with some of the views of the Church, there are some Muslims who don't follow Islam to the nth degree either, it's like a pick and mix the scenario

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

Maybe they wouldn't, that is a big problem in the UK assuming others are bothered or insulted when they really aren't, they might actually agree! I'm catholic but I don't agree with some of the views of the Church, there are some Muslims who don't follow Islam to the nth degree either, it's like a pick and mix the scenario

I mean thats precisely the point, I'm also Catholic and I agree its ridiculous to lump us with some of the elderly homophobes or priest-child molesters from the same religion as if we're all the same. Nobody is doing that though, but claims that all Muslims are the same.. Its just ridiculous, ugly, naive, overly simplistic and dangerous.
Have an opinion on terrorism sure, but I think its important to differentiate between them and an entire religion and I dont believe thhe user Im in a discussion with has ever done this. Which I find sad.
Edit: (Sad as in genuinely upsetting for the state of mankind, not sad the insult)

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

There is human decency, then there is stupidity like when we took 25 year old "children" from Calais and left 8 year olds behind, mainly because the adults know how to work the system, there is human decency like taking genuine refugees from camps in Syria, or stupidity in opening your borders to all in sundry, enabling the people traffickers and ensuring genuine refugees got stepped over and left behind

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by North Star Monkey

I'm glad you quoted that because it appears to have disappeared, maybe a mod could explain what is wrong with it

[James]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

I'm glad you quoted that because it appears to have disappeared, maybe a mod could explain what is wrong with it

Obviously quoted a deleted post.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by James

Obviously quoted a deleted post.

You could have removed the deleted post?

[James]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

You could have removed the deleted post?

I'm telling you, going through (say) tens of deleted posts, and editing out quotes is takes too long.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by James

I'm telling you, going through (say) tens of deleted posts, and editing out quotes is takes too long.

Right

[James]

Originally Posted by James

I'm telling you, going through (say) tens of deleted posts, and editing out quotes is takes too long.

Otherwise it would be like...

[James]

Originally Posted by James

Obviously quoted a deleted post.

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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by James

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Are you having a sense of deja vue James

[arista]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

Are you having a sense of deja vue James

Youtube video

[James]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

You happy with this post James? Insulting a forum member?

Alright I've deleted that. First time it's been brought to mods' attention. There's a number of posts in the thread that are similar in tone.

[Cherie]

Thanks