[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If people on here care that much, take a tramp home to live with You.
I have a good heart and I feel for genuine cases but I have not got time for those that wont help themselves.

Bit of a strange train of thought there, 'if you aren't willing to take a random stranger home then you can't complain about them being treated like they are less than human.'

I think it's also a very callous thing to say 'I have not got time for those that wont help themselves' in regards to homeless people being denied service for no other reason than they are homeless. Pray tell, how are homeless people like the one in the article meant to help themselves when people aren't willing to give them a chance.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bit of a strange train of thought there, 'if you aren't willing to take a random stranger home then you can't complain about them being treated like they are less than human.'

I think it's also a very callous thing to say 'I have not got time for those that wont help themselves' in regards to homeless people being denied service for no other reason than they are homeless. Pray tell, how are homeless people like the one in the article meant to help themselves when people aren't willing to give them a chance.

There are violent drunks, sex offenders and heroin addicts that are home less who put the money in their arm instead of paying the rent.
Like I said I got a good heart but I'm nobody's fool,just because someone is home less it does not make them a good person.
I'm all for treating those that have a bad life with dignity but some live like animals.
I have not made any one homeless,people just down the road pay a hundred pound for a bowl of soup, do they think about the people starving when they eat it, no they don't.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

There are violent drunks, sex offenders and heroin addicts that are home less who put the money in their arm instead of paying the rent.
Like I said I got a good heart but I'm nobody's fool,just because someone is home less it does not make them a good person.
I'm all for treating those that have a bad life with dignity but some live like animals.
I have not made any one homeless,people just down the road pay a hundred pound for a bowl of soup, do they think about the people starving when they eat it, no they don't.

And none of this has any relevance to the topic at hand.

The man in question by all accounts is none of the things you have listed yet you seem fine with denying him the chance to buy food because of something you've accused 'some homeless people' of apparently doing and you seem fine to generalise and tar all homeless people with the same brush and at the same time try to invalidate anyone that treats the homeless with kindness by setting implausible standards for them.

It just seems like you want a target to spew bile at, in all honesty.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And none of this has any relevance to the topic at hand.

The man in question by all accounts is none of the things you have listed yet you seem fine with denying him the chance to buy food because of something you've accused 'some homeless people' of apparently doing and you seem fine to generalise and tar all homeless people with the same brush and at the same time try to invalidate anyone that treats the homeless with kindness by setting implausible standards for them.

It just seems like you want a target to spew bile at, in all honesty.

You are looking for something that ain't there, the man in question should of been allowed to eat in if he wanted but not places are the same and I don't make the rules.
If people want to give to the homeless I don't have a problem with that, don't accuse me of spewing bile which I consider an insult, I take a harder line with the homeless not all of the homeless just the ones that lay in there own piss and sick.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You are looking for something that ain't there, the man in question should of been allowed to eat in if he wanted but not places are the same and I don't make the rules.
If people want to give to the homeless I don't have a problem with that, don't accuse me of spewing bile which I consider an insult, I take a harder line with the homeless not all of the homeless just the ones that lay in there own piss and sick.

So you take issue with the ones that may need help the most?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you take issue with the ones that may need help the most?

Have you never watched a fly on the wall program when cameras follow the police and ambulance services, its the same people again and again.

In one it showed a heroin addict who had stoped breathing they could of stood there and watched him die, but they brought him back to life only for him to be
pissed off with them for ruining his high.
if people want help,help them but these people don't want help.
It don't make me a bad person for having an opinion that is hard line, it makes me, me.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Have you never watched a fly on the wall program when cameras follow the police and ambulance services, its the same people again and again.

In one it showed a heroin addict who had stoped breathing they could of stood there and watched him die, but they brought him back to life only for him to be
pissed off with them for ruining his high.
if people want help,help them but these people don't want help.
It don't make me a bad person for having an opinion that is hard line, it makes me, me.

But how do we know which ones are which... by presumption? I don't want to give money to addicts of alcohol or drugs. I don't believe a lot of these people who beg are genuinely homeless but in the cold light of day, I never presume to know one from the other, so if I buy what appears to be a homeless person a burger and it turns out the guy isn't really homeless at all but trying to scrounge money for drugs, I'll never know and by never knowing, I will carry on giving (not money). At least this way, once in a while I'll be helping out a genuine homeless person.