[thesheriff443]

Look the police don't just take some ones word for what happened, if there was the evidence that was grounds to charge the mcanns they would of done.
Mistakes have been made, but until evidence is found I reserve my judgment.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Look the police don't just take some ones word for what happened, if there was the evidence that was grounds to charge the mcanns they would of done.
Mistakes have been made, but until evidence is found I reserve my judgment.

I dont, they are appalling parents and this is a disgraceful waste of tax payers money and police resources these scarce resources could have been allocated to the 10000s of other missing persons out there , who are no less important than the macanns

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

I dont, they are appalling parents and this is a disgraceful waste of tax payers money and police resources these scarce resources could have been allocated to the 10000s of other missing persons out there , who are no less important than the macanns

mmhhmm but apparently the McCanns are much more important for some odd reason

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Look the police don't just take some ones word for what happened, if there was the evidence that was grounds to charge the mcanns they would of done.
Mistakes have been made, but until evidence is found I reserve my judgment.

I completely agree!

This case reminds me of that case in Australia with the baby and the dingo. The mother, Lindsay Chamberlain, was put through hell and many Australians were quick to judge and condemn her, she even went to jail - but eventually evidence was found that corroborated her version of events.

The poor woman had lost her only daughter and given little time to grieve before the muck-rackers waded in and found her guilty based on speculation rather than fact. It seems the general public like to automatically think the worst of people, especially mothers. Britain it seems have learned no lessons from that!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I completely agree!

This case reminds me of that case in Australia with the baby and the dingo. The mother, Lindsay Chamberlain, was put through hell and many Australians were quick to judge and condemn her, she even went to jail - but eventually evidence was found that corroborated her version of events.

The poor woman had lost her only daughter and given little time to grieve before the muck-rackers waded in and found her guilty based on speculation rather than fact. It seems the general public like to automatically think the worst of people, especially mothers. Britain it seems have learned no lessons from that!

That's not really true, I never heard anyone say they thought Ben Needams mother was guilty in her sons disappearance and regarding the McCanns, Gerry gets as much if not more blame as Kate

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's not really true, I never heard anyone say they thought Ben Needams mother was guilty in her sons disappearance and regarding the McCanns, Gerry gets as much if not more blame as Kate

I'm not sure but I don't Ben's mother wasn't present at the time he disappeared - wasn't he at his grandparents?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I'm not sure but I don't Ben's mother wasn't present at the time he disappeared - wasn't he at his grandparents?

Oh yeah, ok his grand parents were never accused then. Look I know it's an awful thing to think that parents were involved in some way, as a parent myself I know it's a terrible thing to think but when you do actually read up on the case and I mean the actual Police files which are publicly available, the only actual evidence found points to Madeleine having died in that apartment and from the minute that evidence was found the McCanns tried discredit it and why would they if they had no idea what happened to her? Like if they really were completely clueless and evidence that she may have died in the apartment came up wouldn't they want to investigate that?, also their Police Statements and their friends statements are very inconsistent too. It's about justice for a 3 year old little girl

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh yeah, ok his grand parents were never accused then. Look I know it's an awful thing to think that parents were involved in some way, as a parent myself I know it's a terrible thing to think but when you do actually read up on the case and I mean the actual Police files which are publicly available, the only actual evidence found points to Madeleine having died in that apartment and from the minute that evidence was found the McCanns tried discredit it and why would they if they had no idea what happened to her? Like if they really were completely clueless and evidence that she may have died in the apartment came up wouldn't they want to investigate that?, also their Police Statements and their friends statements are very inconsistent too. It's about justice for a 3 year old little girl

Again, you may be right. I definitely do not believe they deliberately harmed her - why would they and what evidence is there for that?

If there was some kind of accident that they covered up I don't believe Maddie, if she understood, would want them to go to jail for years and leave her brother and sister without their parents. If an accident I think they have all suffered enough.

It wouldn't make their actions right or forgivable but to hang them out to dry would benefit no one in my opinion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Again, you may be right. I definitely do not believe they deliberately harmed her - why would they and what evidence is there for that?

If there was some kind of accident that they covered up I don't believe Maddie, if she understood, would want them to go to jail for years and leave her brother and sister without their parents. If an accident I think they have all suffered enough.

It wouldn't make their actions right or forgivable but to hang them out to dry would benefit no one in my opinion.

I don't believe they deliberately harmed her either but I certainly believe the truth should come out and they should face justice. Not only have they covered it up but look at all the money they've wasted, that's your money, tax payers money and it runs in to the millions now not to mention they tried to ruin Goncalo Amarals life as well, they need to face justice for all of those things imo

[chuff me dizzy]

From night 1 there was political interference in the McCann case ( Why no one knows,but it happened ) without the help they would have been locked up 10 yrs ago

As for Pat Brown ( a woman Ive had lots of conversations with ) Im not a fan, she pops in and out of the Maddie case when it suits her

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I'm not sure but I don't Ben's mother wasn't present at the time he disappeared - wasn't he at his grandparents?

Madelienes mother wasn't present either

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Madelienes mother wasn't present either

Very true Kaz

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Look the police don't just take some ones word for what happened, if there was the evidence that was grounds to charge the mcanns they would of done.
Mistakes have been made, but until evidence is found I reserve my judgment.

I felt a similar way but Niamh kind of changed my mind on it lol... there is really strong evidence against them but no evidence that supports the abduction theory. I haven't read up on it as much as some others but I think there's reasons why they have never been charged that are more to do with procedural errors, and I don't think they've ever actually been cleared of wrong doing.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I completely agree!

This case reminds me of that case in Australia with the baby and the dingo. The mother, Lindsay Chamberlain, was put through hell and many Australians were quick to judge and condemn her, she even went to jail - but eventually evidence was found that corroborated her version of events.

The poor woman had lost her only daughter and given little time to grieve before the muck-rackers waded in and found her guilty based on speculation rather than fact. It seems the general public like to automatically think the worst of people, especially mothers. Britain it seems have learned no lessons from that!

I thought that was the main factor in suspicions against the McCanns too (and tbh a lot of people would probably suspect them due to that regardless so it's not that it's untrue), but I do think this case is very different to any other examples, and there is very good reason to suspect them. And I think the opposite could also be said, that some people don't want to believe that parents could do something like that, so basing it on emotions about the case rather than the actual evidence.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I felt a similar way but Niamh kind of changed my mind on it lol... there is really strong evidence against them but no evidence that supports the abduction theory. I haven't read up on it as much as some others but I think there's reasons why they have never been charged that are more to do with procedural errors, and I don't think they've ever actually been cleared of wrong doing.



I thought that was the main factor in suspicions against the McCanns too (and tbh a lot of people would probably suspect them due to that regardless so it's not that it's untrue), but I do think this case is very different to any other examples, and there is very good reason to suspect them. And I think the opposite could also be said, that some people don't want to believe that parents could do something like that, so basing it on emotions about the case rather than the actual evidence.

I honestly don't know, it's a very difficult one - you may be right that emotions can get in the way.

The public don't have a good track record on their reaction to cases like this and I find it very difficult to believe Maddie's parents would have either harmed their daughter or tried to cover up an accident or poor decision on their part i.e. Drugging her.

In this case I do prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt until concrete evidence proves me wrong.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I honestly don't know, it's a very difficult one - you may be right that emotions can get in the way.

The public don't have a good track record on their reaction to cases like this and I find it very difficult to believe Maddie's parents would have either harmed their daughter or tried to cover up an accident or poor decision on their part i.e. Drugging her.

In this case I do prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt until concrete evidence proves me wrong.

I can only speak for myself but it was certainly the case for me.
I remember when it first made the news and before there was anything that suggested they might have been involved, my mum saying something like "hmm I bet the parents had something to do with it" because she's a 'think the worst of people' kind of person, so I think I've always felt a bit like suspicions of them had more to do with cynicism and wanting to think the worst than anything else, and I wanted to think they wouldn't have been involved. I'm not 100% either way on it though and I'm the same that I'd want concrete evidence to be convinced, so I still think the abduction theory could be true (although I think it's very unlikely), but mainly where I've changed my opinion on it is with thinking that people who are strongly convinced that the McCanns were involved in a cover up actually have a lot to reasonably back that up.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I can only speak for myself but it was certainly the case for me.
I remember when it first made the news and before there was anything that suggested they might have been involved, my mum saying something like "hmm I bet the parents had something to do with it" because she's a 'think the worst of people' kind of person, so I think I've always felt a bit like suspicions of them had more to do with cynicism and wanting to think the worst than anything else, and I wanted to think they wouldn't have been involved. I'm not 100% either way on it though and I'm the same that I'd want concrete evidence to be convinced, so I still think the abduction theory could be true (although I think it's very unlikely), but mainly where I've changed my opinion on it is with thinking that people who are strongly convinced that the McCanns were involved in a cover up actually have a lot to reasonably back that up.

I'm honestly not a "think the worst" kind of person at all eventhough statistically it's much more likely in a case like this to do with a child that family members or friends are involved than a complete opportunistic stranger. I never suspected them of having been involved until other people were going on about it and urging me to read up a bit more on it.

before I did that I believed they were certainly guilty of neglect but I did buy into the abduction theory

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Look the police don't just take some ones word for what happened, if there was the evidence that was grounds to charge the mcanns they would of done.
Mistakes have been made, but until evidence is found I reserve my judgment.

There was evidence found though and they were made suspects in Portugal and when they went to sue the cop who was in charge of the original investigation for saying that he thought all the evidence pointed them being involved they lost and were told that they had not been cleared of anything or "proved innocent" as they like to pretend