[DemolitionRed]

And this is the news out of Syria. http://www.syrianow.sy/index.php?d=35&id=165772

A UN independent commission is examining reports that the US-led coalition has bombed a site in Deir al-Zour that the Syrian authorities say was a chemical storehouse, UN Human Rights Council spokesman Rolando Gomez said on Thursday.

The Syrian army announced earlier in the day that the coalition forces launched an air strike on the headquarters of the "Da'ash" terrorist in the area of ​​Hatala Deir al-Zour on Wednesday, causing the deaths of hundreds of poisonous inhalation, a week after the town of Khan Sheikun chemical attack Killing 87 people.

The General Command of the Syrian army said in a statement that "the flight of the so-called International Alliance yesterday between 17.30 and 17.50 hours on the implementation of an air strike, targeting the headquarters of the" Da'ash "terrorist, including a large number of foreign mercenaries, Deir al-Zour was formed by a white cloud turned yellow, turned out to be the result of the explosion of a huge warehouse containing a large amount of toxic substances.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And this is the news out of Syria. http://www.syrianow.sy/index.php?d=35&id=165772

A UN independent commission is examining reports that the US-led coalition has bombed a site in Deir al-Zour that the Syrian authorities say was a chemical storehouse, UN Human Rights Council spokesman Rolando Gomez said on Thursday.

The Syrian army announced earlier in the day that the coalition forces launched an air strike on the headquarters of the "Da'ash" terrorist in the area of ​​Hatala Deir al-Zour on Wednesday, causing the deaths of hundreds of poisonous inhalation, a week after the town of Khan Sheikun chemical attack Killing 87 people.

The General Command of the Syrian army said in a statement that "the flight of the so-called International Alliance yesterday between 17.30 and 17.50 hours on the implementation of an air strike, targeting the headquarters of the" Da'ash "terrorist, including a large number of foreign mercenaries, Deir al-Zour was formed by a white cloud turned yellow, turned out to be the result of the explosion of a huge warehouse containing a large amount of toxic substances.

Propaganda. Quick let's deflect so the gullible world thinks we aren't poisoning our own people. Any cost to win. Why would anyone feel the Syrian army is particularly truthful?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Propaganda. Quick let's deflect so the gullible world thinks we aren't poisoning our own people. Any cost to win. Why would anyone feel the Syrian army is particularly truthful?

I'm just dropping in some news from other sources. Who are we to decide which news is propaganda and which isn't?

It sounds like you have made up your mind... I haven't.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm just dropping in some news from other sources. Who are we to decide which news is propaganda and which isn't?

It sounds like you have made up your mind... I haven't.

I'm fairly certain I know who I believe and it's not the guy who has been bombing his own people for several years because he won't let go of power. The chemical stuff is horrible but those barrel bombs are pretty loathsome too. And let's face it, Russia always lies. It's never them who were involved in an innocent airliner being blown out of the sky, the annexation of an independent people, or the bombing of civilians. I've a little more faith in the west who often actually admit when they are wrong or make a mistake.

Hmmm maybe we should watch Corbyn far closer than we are.

I think the US are flexing their muscles to send a message to a few leaders of the world who have started to think they are running things and can do what they like without any culpability. I don't believe anyone wins a war but I think the US are currently speaking the only language the likes of Putin, Assad, and North Korea understand. That's a tragedy all round but so is good men doing nothing and bystanding while people suffer. Let's hope against hope that a little flexing of US might will reign them in. The alternative is unthinkable.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm fairly certain I know who I believe and it's not the guy who has been bombing his own people for several years because he won't let go of power. The chemical stuff is horrible but those barrel bombs are pretty loathsome too. And let's face it, Russia always lies. It's never them who were involved in an innocent airliner being blown out of the sky, the annexation of an independent people, or the bombing of civilians. I've a little more faith in the west who often actually admit when they are wrong or make a mistake.

Hmmm maybe we should watch Corbyn far closer than we are.

I think the US are flexing their muscles to send a message to a few leaders of the world who have started to think they are running things and can do what they like without any culpability. I don't believe anyone wins a war but I think the US are currently speaking the only language the likes of Putin, Assad, and North Korea understand. That's a tragedy all round but so is good men doing nothing and bystanding while people suffer. Let's hope against hope that a little flexing of US might will reign them in. The alternative is unthinkable.

I completely agree Jaxie. America would have been equally criticised, by those with an agenda, if they had done nothing - damn them if they do, damn them if they don't. Good men have to do something. Of course there will be those who spout on about ulterior motives but to do nothing would be much worse.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm fairly certain I know who I believe and it's not the guy who has been bombing his own people for several years because he won't let go of power. The chemical stuff is horrible but those barrel bombs are pretty loathsome too. And let's face it, Russia always lies. It's never them who were involved in an innocent airliner being blown out of the sky, the annexation of an independent people, or the bombing of civilians. I've a little more faith in the west who often actually admit when they are wrong or make a mistake.

And you believe the American government doesn't lie? that Trump doesn't lie?

America lied to us when it said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It didn’t invade Iraq and dispose of Hussein because it was misled, it invaded because of ‘American ideology’ and it was prepared to sacrifice thousands of NATO soldiers as well as kill over a 100,000 Iraqis before turning Iraq into a chaotic dust bowl.
The same happened with Iran in 1953, in Afghanistan in 2001, in Asia, Cuba, Puerto Rico the Philippines Africa, Libya and Vietnam. These CIA military attempts to overthrow governments are endless.

Trumps lies are endless, the U.S government lies are endless and ‘Western Civilization’ fully support those lies and every lie the US uses is duplicated throughout Europe, Australia and Canada. Then here we all are shouting, kill the fnckers, nuke the bvstards.

Hmmm maybe we should watch Corbyn far closer than we are.

Yes, yes, lets all believe the propaganda hype against him too! though what he's got to do with this topic is somewhat baffling.

I think the US are flexing their muscles to send a message to a few leaders of the world who have started to think they are running things and can do what they like without any culpability. I don't believe anyone wins a war but I think the US are currently speaking the only language the likes of Putin, Assad, and North Korea understand. That's a tragedy all round but so is good men doing nothing and bystanding while people suffer. Let's hope against hope that a little flexing of US might will reign them in. The alternative is unthinkable.

We are the invaders, not Russia.

America and its allies have been flexing its muscles over Muslim rule for far too long and all it causes is, political instability and terrorist blowback. I condemn imperialism and that’s exactly what this is.

How can America claim its safeguarding liberty when it approves illegal torture, commits war crimes and created mass genocide in Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and Syria. This is about empire building… ‘divide and rule’ and forgive me, but I'm no cheer leader.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And you believe the American government doesn't lie? that Trump doesn't lie?

America lied to us when it said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It didn’t invade Iraq and dispose of Hussein because it was misled, it invaded because of ‘American ideology’ and it was prepared to sacrifice thousands of NATO soldiers as well as kill over a 100,000 Iraqis before turning Iraq into a chaotic dust bowl.
The same happened with Iran in 1953, in Afghanistan in 2001, in Asia, Cuba, Puerto Rico the Philippines Africa, Libya and Vietnam. These CIA military attempts to overthrow governments are endless.

Trumps lies are endless, the U.S government lies are endless and ‘Western Civilization’ fully support those lies and every lie the US uses is duplicated throughout Europe, Australia and Canada. Then here we all are shouting, kill the fnckers, nuke the bvstards.



Yes, yes, lets all believe the propaganda hype against him too! though what he's got to do with this topic is somewhat baffling.


We are the invaders, not Russia.

America and its allies have been flexing its muscles over Muslim rule for far too long and all it causes is, political instability and terrorist blowback. I condemn imperialism and that’s exactly what this is.

How can America claim its safeguarding liberty when it approves illegal torture, commits war crimes and created mass genocide in Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and Syria. This is about empire building… ‘divide and rule’ and forgive me, but I'm no cheer leader.

Ffs, no-one is saying the West are perfect, but they don't brutalise, terrorise or murder their own people. They don't stone young women to death for daring to stand-up to the system. Whatever the West's faults, and there are plenty, they don't have the complete lack of human rights of the Middle East.

I don't pretend to be an expert on the Middle East but like most I am aware of their appauling human rights' record. I also seem to recall that when we went into Iraq many Muslims there were begging the West to intervene and get rid of a murdering dictator. The Middle East creates its own dictators who sometimes need to be removed, as much for the sake of the helpless people they torture and murder as for the political interests of the West.

Yes we were lied to about nuclear weapons, and most regret the loss of our brave men and women as a result, but what is done can't be undone. None of that however puts the West in the same league as the dictators of the Middle East, neither does it excuse terrorism. There is no comparison.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ffs, no-one is saying the West are perfect, but they don't brutalise, terrorise or murder their own people. They don't stone young women to death for daring to stand-up to the system. Whatever the West's faults, and there are plenty, they don't have the complete lack of human rights of the Middle East.

Do you think that's why America has got involved?

I don't pretend to be an expert on the Middle East but like most I am aware of their appauling human rights' record. I also seem to recall that when we went into Iraq many Muslims there were begging the West to intervene and get rid of a murdering dictator. The Middle East creates its own dictators who sometimes need to be removed, as much for the sake of the helpless people they torture and murder as for the political interests of the West.

Trump has welcomed el-Sissi and the Saudi king with open arms, if America were concerned about human rights, why didn't he start with those two monsters?

Funny that we only really hear about the government murdering and torturing its citizens when we want to invade. There are countries the world over that murder and torture prisoners but we only hear about the ones with oil supply lines.

Yes we were lied to about nuclear weapons, and most regret the loss of our brave men and women as a result, but what is done can't be undone. None of that however puts the West in the same league as the dictators of the Middle East, neither does it excuse terrorism. There is no comparison.

I think it very much puts us in their league and it doesn't excuse terrorism but causes it. They see us as terrorists and that's why they try to terrorise us.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And you believe the American government doesn't lie? that Trump doesn't lie?

America lied to us when it said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It didn’t invade Iraq and dispose of Hussein because it was misled, it invaded because of ‘American ideology’ and it was prepared to sacrifice thousands of NATO soldiers as well as kill over a 100,000 Iraqis before turning Iraq into a chaotic dust bowl.
The same happened with Iran in 1953, in Afghanistan in 2001, in Asia, Cuba, Puerto Rico the Philippines Africa, Libya and Vietnam. These CIA military attempts to overthrow governments are endless.

Initially I think they did believe those weapons were there. The fact that inspectors were given the run around by the regime didn't help. We can point to historic events from all countries to the beginning of time but that doesn't make it particularly relevant to the conversation at hand.

Trumps lies are endless, the U.S government lies are endless and ‘Western Civilization’ fully support those lies and every lie the US uses is duplicated throughout Europe, Australia and Canada. Then here we all are shouting, kill the fnckers, nuke the bvstards.

We can't blame Trump's administration for any of the above. What lies exactly do you know he has told?

Yes, yes, lets all believe the propaganda hype against him too! though what he's got to do with this topic is somewhat baffling.

I found it amusing to add Corbyn, another unpopular leader who won't go.

We are the invaders, not Russia.

Good for you if you believe their innocence. I'm not so convinced by state run news.

America and its allies have been flexing its muscles over Muslim rule for far too long and all it causes is, political instability and terrorist blowback. I condemn imperialism and that’s exactly what this is.

Well it is a mysogionistic religion and where it is involved in the political control of a country it usually leads to the oppression of the people therein, particularly the women who have few rights. It also seems to lead to dictatorships.

How can America claim its safeguarding liberty when it approves illegal torture, commits war crimes and created mass genocide in Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and Syria. This is about empire building… ‘divide and rule’ and forgive me, but I'm no cheer leader.

In an ideal world America and it's allies shouldn't have to police it. But we aren't in an ideal world. What's the alternative?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

In an ideal world America and it's allies shouldn't have to police it. But we aren't in an ideal world. What's the alternative?

Get the Americans out. All America really wants is the Bush gas pipeline to run from Qatar to Europe, so Europe consumes American Interest natural gas and not Russian natural gas!!

This is the nature of the international "Coalition" not about the lives of Middle eastern girls not being able to attend school or women being oppressed, and children being gassed.

The real cause is Money and power!!!