[Kazanne]

The Labour party always promise ,but rarely deliver,where will this money magically appear? he wont hit the well off as he isn't exactly poor is he? better the devil you know I say.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The Labour party always promise ,but rarely deliver,where will this money magically appear? he wont hit the well off as he isn't exactly poor is he? better the devil you know I say.

Where does Labour not deliver its promises.
He has said corporation tax is part of this plan to raise the funds.

All oppositions said Labour could never deliver a minimum wage,they did against all Conservative dire warnings against it.

Unbelievable selective criticism in advance with not a word about this govt.virtually tearing up a lot of what it promised just barely 2 years ago.

[Cherry Christmas]

Have the Tory's any policies as yet apart from delivering strong, stable leadership... and dodging questions on the triple lock and tax rises

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have the Tory's any policies as yet apart from delivering strong, stable leadership... and dodging questions on the triple lock and tax rises

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

for this to happen we need as you say the "dreamers"- to start taxing the rich a hell of allot more and putting the money where it is needed.

until we see action - labour are a dying rose.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

Yeah that's right. Everyone who ever voted Tory is either upper class or an idiot. And Labour are the "thinking" ones. Doesn't sound like real life to me.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah that's right. Everyone who ever voted Tory is either upper class or an idiot. And Labour are the "thinking" ones. Doesn't sound like real life to me.

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying to privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

wrong. the tories nhs in england is way ahead in most areas compared to the welsh labour nhs...in england you get results the same day, in wales you can wait 10 weeks for results of eye tests. youd have to be a fool to back the party of bankruptcy, illlegal wars, destruction of civil liberties, free speech , mrsa, record abuses on the nhs, more bankrupt councils, more waste, more doubling. trebling of CEO wages at the councils and ceo's of hospitals and the trebling of the wage bill for nhs middle management....none of whom are medically qualified

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying to privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

Indeed it is, in at least these last 2 elections particularly it leaves less to understand as to it taking place.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying to privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

Have you not heard of policies. Many/most people weigh up the pros and cons of the various different policies of the parties rather than just concentrate on the one policy that affects them personally. Some look at the bigger picture and long-term potential affects of such policies overall.

It's a far wider playing field than you suggest.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

its that chip on the shoulder self pitying exaggerated siege mentality that has taken the labour party into obscurity...the tories atm are actually better for working people of all classes because they create jobs and run a far better economy

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

its that chip on the shoulder self pitying exaggerated siege mentality that has taken the labour party into obscurity

Not at all. The Tories have exploited the population by pitting those in work against those out of work and those who don’t struggle against those who do struggle. There is no way our population would of accepted the bedroom tax against the poor without the Tories working so hard to create this divide.

By alienating the worst off, they also alienated the opposition.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Not at all. The Tories have exploited the population by pitting those in work against those out of work and those who don’t struggle against those who do struggle. There is no way our population would of accepted the bedroom tax against the poor without the Tories working so hard to create this divide.

By alienating the worst off, they also alienated the opposition.

A great deal of truth there DR.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have the Tory's any policies as yet apart from delivering strong, stable leadership... and dodging questions on the triple lock and tax rises

Not really, however they will likely get away with that.

This atrocious PM dodged the triple lock question twice today and was rattled when Corbyn raised it.
Nothing said about that however.

Yet barely 2 years ago the Cons promised a triple lock on pensions and no tax rises for 5 years.
It doesn't seem to matter however if they stop delivering a promise after not even halfway through the time promised, and promises even elected on too.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not really, however they will likely get away with that.

This atrocious PM dodged the triple lock question twice today and was rattled when Corbyn raised it.
Nothing said about that however.

Yet barely 2 years ago the Cons promised a triple lock on pensions and no tax rises for 5 years.
It doesn't seem to matter however if they stop delivering a promise after not even halfway through the time promised, and promises even elected on too.

she did duck it but he totally failed to nail her with it, he was all over the map
vat should really be a topic in itself which he should hammer the pm with

[Cherry Christmas]

Are the Torys so far ahead in the Polls that they don't need to explain anything? explain why we can keep foreign aid at the same level, but we cant afford the triple lock, explain why pensioners are paying for their own social care via council tax rather than social care being taken care of through the income tax system, it seems incredible to me they can just say nothing and people are going to vote for them anyway....don't get me wrong I don't trust Labour either but at least they are coming up with some policies that are giving something to the people who raise taxes in this country rather than chucking it at despots and dictators...and countries with their own space programmes

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Are the Torys so far ahead in the Polls that they don't need to explain anything? explain why we can keep foreign aid at the same level, but we cant afford the triple lock, explain why pensioners are paying for their own social care via council tax rather than social care being taken care of through the income tax system, it seems incredible to me they can just say nothing and people are going to vote for them anyway....don't get me wrong I don't trust Labour either but at least they are coming up with some policies that are giving something to the people who raise taxes in this country rather than chucking it at despots and dictators...and countries with their own space programmes

corbyn missed an open goal yet again

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Where does Labour not deliver its promises.
He has said corporation tax is part of this plan to raise the funds.

All oppositions said Labour could never deliver a minimum wage,they did against all Conservative dire warnings against it.

Unbelievable selective criticism in advance with not a word about this govt.virtually tearing up a lot of what it promised just barely 2 years ago.

lol they promised no more boom and bust lololololololol

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The Labour party always promise ,but rarely deliver,where will this money magically appear? he wont hit the well off as he isn't exactly poor is he? better the devil you know I say.

The Tory party is very good at talking the talk but their record for keeping their promise is pretty abysmal.