[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have the Tory's any policies as yet apart from delivering strong, stable leadership... and dodging questions on the triple lock and tax rises

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

for this to happen we need as you say the "dreamers"- to start taxing the rich a hell of allot more and putting the money where it is needed.

until we see action - labour are a dying rose.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

Yeah that's right. Everyone who ever voted Tory is either upper class or an idiot. And Labour are the "thinking" ones. Doesn't sound like real life to me.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah that's right. Everyone who ever voted Tory is either upper class or an idiot. And Labour are the "thinking" ones. Doesn't sound like real life to me.

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying to privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

wrong. the tories nhs in england is way ahead in most areas compared to the welsh labour nhs...in england you get results the same day, in wales you can wait 10 weeks for results of eye tests. youd have to be a fool to back the party of bankruptcy, illlegal wars, destruction of civil liberties, free speech , mrsa, record abuses on the nhs, more bankrupt councils, more waste, more doubling. trebling of CEO wages at the councils and ceo's of hospitals and the trebling of the wage bill for nhs middle management....none of whom are medically qualified

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying to privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

Indeed it is, in at least these last 2 elections particularly it leaves less to understand as to it taking place.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well, you'd have to be foolish to vote for a party that's actively trying to privatise public services if you use them so yes. The idea of the working and middle classes voting for the Tories is like an immigrant voting for Donald Trump. It's foolishness.

Have you not heard of policies. Many/most people weigh up the pros and cons of the various different policies of the parties rather than just concentrate on the one policy that affects them personally. Some look at the bigger picture and long-term potential affects of such policies overall.

It's a far wider playing field than you suggest.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Have you not heard of policies. Many/most people way up the pros and cons of the various different policies of the parties rather than just concentrate on the one policy that affects them personally. Some look at the bigger picture and long-term potential affects of such policies overall.

It's a far wider playing field than you suggest.

It really isn't, Tories will win by a landslide because people will vote for familiarity whether it benefits them or not and Ex-Remainer Theresa May is appealing to brexiters by promising a hard brexit (A stance she'd easily change depending on which way the wind is blowing).

Brexit is the new immigration in that it's a buzzword to get people to mindlessly vote for whichever candidate is using it and Theresa May is fully aware of that.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And privatising the NHS.

Honestly, I'd rather go with the dreamers than the party that want to stamp anyone that isn't upper class into the ground.

its that chip on the shoulder self pitying exaggerated siege mentality that has taken the labour party into obscurity...the tories atm are actually better for working people of all classes because they create jobs and run a far better economy

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

its that chip on the shoulder self pitying exaggerated siege mentality that has taken the labour party into obscurity

Not at all. The Tories have exploited the population by pitting those in work against those out of work and those who don’t struggle against those who do struggle. There is no way our population would of accepted the bedroom tax against the poor without the Tories working so hard to create this divide.

By alienating the worst off, they also alienated the opposition.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Not at all. The Tories have exploited the population by pitting those in work against those out of work and those who don’t struggle against those who do struggle. There is no way our population would of accepted the bedroom tax against the poor without the Tories working so hard to create this divide.

By alienating the worst off, they also alienated the opposition.

A great deal of truth there DR.