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Except that there ARE non EU members in the single market already. You talk like they're one thing. They're not.
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Not exactly so TS. There are people who have various different agreements that allow them access to the single market, freedom of movement being one of them.
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It is exactly so. They aren't EU members. Yes, there are caveats when it comes to single market membership, but it has nothing to do with full membership, and is not what was voted on in the referendum. To say that it's a flat "no" you have to make the assumption that everyone who voted for Brexit did so because they wanted an end to free movement. I'm sure many did, but not all. And the figures and percentages simply aren't available. We can "Brexit" and keep free movement without it being in violation of the referendum result in any way.
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I voted out but now I feel like the fat lady who fell for the spiel on how a herbal drink would make me thin! I’m far from alone; the Economist has shown research which revealed a massive turn in Brexit retreats from people who are outraged by the false promises made in the Brexit campaign.
I always laughed at the ridiculous promises about cutting immigration. That asylum seekers would be returned to their country and border control would be letting less migrants in and so I wasn’t surprised when that showed up pretty quickly after the vote as the unicorn it always was. I did though, believe their implicit promises about the NHS. I believed Boris Johnson when he very clearly told us that we would retain access to the single market and our public services could only survive under Brexit and I believed the secretary of State for international trade when he told us all that we would trade freely with the EU. We are now being told that all these figures were merely extrapolation and all these campaign promises were nothing more than a series of possibilities. I have buyers remorse and if you care to read articles in ‘The Economist,’ I’m certainly not alone. There has been a massive move over to remain since this unicorn was revealed to be nothing more than a pit pony. I believe the percentage of remain voters now far outweigh the Brexiteers. I also believe that many of those who regret, won't have the balls to say so, but that's good because it gives the Conservatives a false illusion. When it comes to the election, there's is bound to be a lot of tactical voting because the regretters won't be voting for the blues.
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You have to ask yourself why Farage resigned and Boris walked away with his tail between his legs after the Brexit vote. How could such staunch campaigners walk away from the masses so quickly after the results?
Did Farage never really believe we'd be exiting the EU. If so, then his sudden resignation makes sense. If he had lost the vote by a small margin, he was bound to gain a lot of seats at the next election because many voting to leave would still have belief in his capabilities. When the exit results were unveiled, Farage knew he couldn't deliver and so threw in the towel, leaving others to pick up the upheaval. Did Boris want to undermine Cameron. Was he ensuring his status in the British government? perhaps he'd taken a bet in the Bullingdon Club.
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Corbyn's performance, on the other hand, wasn't exactly stellar... but let's gloss over that.
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I have a feeling Corbyns fault is the new Jims fault ..
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Again a lot of what is said is 'protest' - talk is cheap - but once the chips are down we have come this far and I think most will want to continue. We don't have much to go back to after all. Those that want out so soon are weak and scared. It takes some balls to stick to your guns when there are peaks and troughs, but I think most of those that voted out have those balls. |
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It's a good job Labour aren't going to be handling Brexit negotiations.I have just witnessed a Labour MP on national television trying to press David Davis into telling us all and the EU negotiaters the minimum amount he's willing pay for this so called "divorce bill".
Is she off her rocker?How would that help the country in any way? |
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I agree with you on Boris.Pure tactics all the way.Infact didn't it come out that he'd written two Brexit articles?One pro EU and one anti? |
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We are striving for something better. Hence Brexit.
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Oh yes. Britain, who has been playing political chess for as long as if not far longer than the rest of the world, is seeking a better way with less game playing, by exiting Europe, through a series of political games. Flawless plan.
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So far our dear friends in the EU are the ones playing games and leaking gossip to the press. I don't recall mentioning any plan are you making stuff up?
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I would add though that if you genuinely believe that Theresa May is not playing games, then you are politically naive and you should probably be aware of that. |
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There's nothing in this world you can't refer to as game-playing so long as it suits whichever agenda you're pushing. |
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I don't think I said whether she plays games or not, I have no idea if she likes a bit of Scrabble or Monopoly.
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