[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Withano

You are right in what you're saying, and Sheriffs suggestion does seem pretty rational
my fear though is that because of the year weve had - theres quite an obvious 'left'/'right' divide on the forum, and will people report those that they basically consider to be part of their group? or turn a blind eye to it?
The divide is obvious even on this thread, with the 'left' applauding your words, and the 'right' suggesting that theyre confused and not seen what youve speak of.
In all honesty, (and this wont go down well) the only solution I see is more points per infraction.
But maybe the switchup of teams when people devote their life to BB will naturally give people a better perspective of where the line should be. The year-long political mess that the country has seen is finally coming to an end.. and people wont be divided into 'this group' or 'that group' anymore, they'd be divided into like 18 different groups of stanners.

....Maru.... your posts always have so much thought in seeing so much from different perspectives....



...I do sometimes wonder Withano, do people/posters even see each other anymore because what has stood out in the threads I have read is that people are just 'put into boxes' based on their politics...we are all living in a world of fear and totally united in that/as one with that...but we have different thoughts of what we think will bring the changes needed...pointing fingers at each other just makes for circles of pointless discussions/..(I know you've taught so it's like those awful situations when you can get into real negative times with a child and then neither of you are really listening to each other anymore because you need to find a point you can both begin on to achieve something positive..?..)...(probably an awful analogy but oh well..)...

..anyways I fairly much agree with Sheriff..if any specific single posts are thought to 'cross the line' and are found to be disturbing in some way then report them, there is no need to point fingers...it's just a pointless thing to do and just contributes equally as negatively to the whole thing...and of course, it's exactly what terrorism strives for/to divide us and try to envelope us in the 'hate' thrive on....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I do sometimes wonder Withano, do people/posters even see each other anymore because what has stood out in the threads I have read is that people are just 'put into boxes' based on their politics...

I have to admit that I'm guilty of assuming what the content of a post will be from the username. But is it not true that it's very surprising when that assumption is wrong? Not that I'm claiming to be unpredictable either. I guess the problem on a small forum is that we're all so entrenched that we genuinely DO know everyone's responses to everything, because we've already discussed everything to absolute death, or at least, we've already discussed to death the 4 or 5 topics that make up 99% of threads. Occasionally something different and interesting turns up. Maybe we need a new subforum; "Serious debates minus domestic politics, immigration and terrorism".

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....Maru.... your posts always have so much thought in seeing so much from different perspectives....



...I do sometimes wonder Withano, do people/posters even see each other anymore because what has stood out in the threads I have read is that people are just 'put into boxes' based on their politics...we are all living in a world of fear and totally united in that/as one with that...but we have different thoughts of what we think will bring the changes needed...pointing fingers at each other just makes for circles of pointless discussions/..(I know you've taught so it's like those awful situations when you can get into real negative times with a child and then neither of you are really listening to each other anymore because you need to find a point you can both begin on to achieve something positive..?..)...(probably an awful analogy but oh well..)...

..anyways I fairly much agree with Sheriff..if any specific single posts are thought to 'cross the line' and are found to be disturbing in some way then report them, there is no need to point fingers...it's just a pointless thing to do and just contributes equally as negatively to the whole thing...and of course, it's exactly what terrorism strives for/to divide us and try to envelope us in the 'hate' thrive on....

I'm feeling this a lot lately with my own posts. Had several pages of a thread the other day where people were assuming I'd said all kinds of unrelated things apart from what I actually said. And you think to yourself are people actually reading the words or is there some sort of weird forum translator I'm not party to that changes the words you typed but don't show you the changes.

I also find people will lump you in with the politics they think you share. Personally I have equal disillusion with both sides of the main parties and various of the other small groups but because I will speak up when things seem unjustified or unbalanced to me, and I'm pro Brexit, people think I'm on the right, although I could argue that a true socialist should be Brexit all the way. It seems to me that most people in politics are an insincere bunch of crooks. It's funny though if I say something nice or fair about May or the government I'm considered a raging Tory yet everyone totally missed my saying Corbyn came over well on the One Show the other day. The forum gets more and more like the twilight zone every time I look in.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm feeling this a lot lately with my own posts. Had several pages of a thread the other day where people were assuming I'd said all kinds of unrelated things apart from what I actually said. And you think to yourself are people actually reading the words or is there some sort of weird forum translator I'm not party to that changes the words you typed but don't show you the changes.

I also find people will lump you in with the politics they think you share. Personally I have equal disillusion with both sides of the main parties and various of the other small groups but because I will speak up when things seem unjustified or unbalanced to me, and I'm pro Brexit, people think I'm on the right, although I could argue that a true socialist should be Brexit all the way. It seems to me that most people in politics are an insincere bunch of crooks. It's funny though if I say something nice or fair about May or the government I'm considered a raging Tory yet everyone totally missed my saying Corbyn came over well on the One Show the other day. The forum gets more and more like the twilight zone every time I look in.

Ah I did put the 'left'/'right' analogy in inverted commas cos it was just used to fill in for my lack of a better phrase. I had no idea how you voted in the referundum, and I had no idea how you intended on voting in the election. I cant imagine many people identify as 'left' or 'right' on tibb, i was just making a point of it seeming like this side and the other side.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm feeling this a lot lately with my own posts. Had several pages of a thread the other day where people were assuming I'd said all kinds of unrelated things apart from what I actually said. And you think to yourself are people actually reading the words or is there some sort of weird forum translator I'm not party to that changes the words you typed but don't show you the changes.

I also find people will lump you in with the politics they think you share. Personally I have equal disillusion with both sides of the main parties and various of the other small groups but because I will speak up when things seem unjustified or unbalanced to me, and I'm pro Brexit, people think I'm on the right, although I could argue that a true socialist should be Brexit all the way. It seems to me that most people in politics are an insincere bunch of crooks. It's funny though if I say something nice or fair about May or the government I'm considered a raging Tory yet everyone totally missed my saying Corbyn came over well on the One Show the other day. The forum gets more and more like the twilight zone every time I look in.

Your posts suggest to me that you think very much like i do.Except instead of a raging Tory i'm lumped into the 'fence sitter' camp
That may actually be true however as i have slagged Corbyn and Abbott off no end but am voting Labour
Tbh i am genuinely confused with left/right/centre.I'm not on either side.Strongly anti lefty liberal but agree with nationalisation but even more strongly anti Tory.

It's fecking confusing.I'm genuinely lost.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Your posts suggest to me that you think very much like i do.Except instead of a raging Tory i'm lumped into the 'fence sitter' camp
That may actually be true however as i have slagged Corbyn and Abbott off no end but am voting Labour
Tbh i am genuinely confused with left/right/centre.I'm not on either side.Strongly anti lefty liberal but agree with nationalisation but even more strongly anti Tory.

It's fecking confusing.I'm genuinely lost.

Meh. I'm lumped in as a Corbynite when I've never voted labour in my entire life, and as a Sturgeon stan when I'm actually against a huge chunk of SNP policy but recognise that - regardless of independence - keeping the SNP in power is the only way to stop the Conservatives shafting Scotland even harder than Thatcher did, when Scottish towns are still littered with the aftershocks of Thatcherism.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....Maru.... your posts always have so much thought in seeing so much from different perspectives....



...I do sometimes wonder Withano, do people/posters even see each other anymore because what has stood out in the threads I have read is that people are just 'put into boxes' based on their politics...we are all living in a world of fear and totally united in that/as one with that...but we have different thoughts of what we think will bring the changes needed...pointing fingers at each other just makes for circles of pointless discussions/..(I know you've taught so it's like those awful situations when you can get into real negative times with a child and then neither of you are really listening to each other anymore because you need to find a point you can both begin on to achieve something positive..?..)...(probably an awful analogy but oh well..)...

..anyways I fairly much agree with Sheriff..if any specific single posts are thought to 'cross the line' and are found to be disturbing in some way then report them, there is no need to point fingers...it's just a pointless thing to do and just contributes equally as negatively to the whole thing...and of course, it's exactly what terrorism strives for/to divide us and try to envelope us in the 'hate' thrive on....

I know what you mean, Ammi. People quoting posts, and the response being 'this has nothing to do with my post' is becoming increasingly common, and maybe thats because people have predetermined the context. Ive been on both sides of that, I think a lot of people have.
I do think Big Brother might settle this a little, because the divide would be less obvious. 'Rights' and 'lefts' will unite in their opinions on some of the housemates, some of the time.
And then, after BB and CBB, I cant see any other political milestone causing huge upset to either side until the next US elections.

[Parmy]

If we were sitting watchng all this on bb we would be pointing and laughing.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If we were sitting watchng all this on bb we would be pointing and laughing.

At whom, prithee?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

At whom, prithee?

No...us the forum, acting like know alls arguing all the time.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No...us the forum, acting like know alls arguing all the time.

Thilly thauthages, the bunch of us

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Withano

I know what you mean, Ammi. People quoting posts, and the response being 'this has nothing to do with my post' is becoming increasingly common, and maybe thats because people have predetermined the context. Ive been on both sides of that, I think a lot of people have.
I do think Big Brother might settle this a little, because the divide would be less obvious. 'Rights' and 'lefts' will unite in their opinions on some of the housemates, some of the time.
And then, after BB and CBB, I cant see any other political milestone causing huge upset to either side until the next US elections.

Big Brother I tend to find normally can have me support people that I would be horrified at in real life alot of the time with their views.

I mean I supported Helen Wood in BB15.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Big Brother I tend to find normally can have me support people that I would be horrified at in real life alot of the time with their views.

I mean I supported Helen Wood in BB15.

True, I don't support BB housemates because I like them as people at all, but because I like the impact they have on the house or the interesting things they bring out in others. Bear is the prime example, really. I couldn't be around the guy for long in real life, but the things he brought out in the other housemates... that's what made him absolute gold. Same with Kim Woodburn etc. - the best part about her as a housemate was watching the others implode trying to deal with her.

It's those ones who paint on a facade of being "the good guys" that I find really awful and watching that shell crack and all of that self-important ego and nastiness start to spill out that is the best part of BB. So anyone who can make that happen gets my support .