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Originally Posted by Robodog
What if he had written a tweet calling someone 'a posh idiot' would that be labelled 'hate speech' or 'upper-class-ophobic'?
What if he had targeted an individual with a big nose and called them 'concorde face', would that be considered 'hate speech' or 'nose-ophobic'?
Why is it NOT OK to make rude comments or use rude words about certain groups within society, while at the same time it's totally ok to say rude things about other groups or individuals?
Why is it ok for us all to say hateful things about INDIVIDUAL HMs and attack them on a very personal level, while at the same time we can't say anything bad about their race/gender/background etc?
These forums are full of so-called 'hate speech' towards individual HMs. So is every episode of BBBOTS. So is every newspaper. It's offensive sometimes yes, but no one expects them to stop it.
The crowd last night were full of 'hate speech', quickly judging HMs based on their accent/beliefs etc and then booing them, shouting 'OFF OFF OFF OFF' like a pack of rabid dogs - is that not 'hate speech'?
My point is: You can't have it both ways.
If you want to be fair and intellectually consistent then you can't call it 'phobia' and 'hate speech' one minute (when it refers to certain beliefs/genders/sexuality/races etc) while at the same time pull someone apart on a really personal level with the exact same kind of 'hate speech' and think that's OK
(in fact the comments made about HMs on a personal level on BB forums and on BBBOTS are usually FAR worse than some old off-hand tweet like Tom's)
Either you ban all 'hate speech' which means no more rude comments about ANYONE EVER regardless of their race/gender/sexuality/background etc (which would be a pretty boring, over-controlled world to live in) or you allow people to say what they like and just deal with it whether you like it or not.
You can't pick and choose.
It's all or nothing.
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"One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting. "
Salman Rushdie
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You don't understand and you never will judging by the examples you used in this post.
Having a big nose isn't likely to result in being attacked or abused, rich people don't live in fear of being thrown out by their families and loved ones because of their status. These examples are not examples of hate speech, you don't understand what hate speech is because you likely have never been a victim of it. Hate speech does not equal insults. It's an attack on someone's existence and it's about enforcing the feeling that certain parts of society are second class citizens. Telling someone they have a big nose is not hate speech and quite frankly it's vile that you think they are in any way shape or form at all similar because it downplays actual hate speech and makes it seem less dangerous than it actually is.
You need to understand what Hate Speech is because this post just tells me that you don't have a clue, also don't bring up a freedom of speech quote when you don't really understand what that means either.
Andrew,
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