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Originally Posted by Jack_

Ah, you see here you made two fundamental mistakes. Firstly, you wrongly assumed I am a Corbynista. I voted for the man twice, first time because I believed it was time to shift the Labour Party back to its traditional, progressive, anti-austerity, left position and no other candidate offered any kind of transformative post-Miliband vision. The second time I voted for him because Owen Smith was even more 'unelectable' than Corbyn. I have on several occasions however had and expressed reservations about his leadership and his lack of condemnation and clarity on certain issues - some of which were addressed in that post. The party and the movement is bigger than one man, it's just that he is and was the only person offering a vision of what I want Labour to stand for. In future, my preference is for Clive Lewis to be the leader.

The other mistake you made - and this is common on TiBB - is not reading my post properly. My issue with Theresa May is primarily the policy platform that she stood on, coupled with her disdain for and arrogant complacency with the electorate. Oh, and the fact she and her advisors wanted to opportunistically turn the UK into a one-party state. I find that disgraceful and struggle to see how others don't. So rather than my issue being with her character or own personal values per se (as it is for Corbyn's detractors and what you've just responded to me with), it is rather with the current state of her party (of which she is the leader). As I noted in the post you quoted, I may have disliked Cameron and his policies, but certainly not as much as her's and I at least recognised his statemanlike abilities. A competent Prime Minister she is not.

I am interested in policies, and her's (or rather the Conservatives) are repulsive. It's worth pointing out however that it was she and her advisors who sought to turn this election campaign into a presidential one (which spectacularly backfired), so for people to criticise others for attacking her is really quite laughable. She made her bed and now she will lie in it.

Finally, on the matter of yet another patronising smear of younger voters - the Self Servatives and their supporters need to learn that while ever they continue to mock and take young people for granted, you will be doing your party a disservice. For years people have denigrated young people for not voting, well now they have - and they've said a massive **** you to the Tories - if they don't start addressing that, it will rightly in part contribute to their downfall. And another thing - people can mock young voters for supporting 'Santa Corbyn' all they like, but there is a whole swathe of vacuous members of the electorate who believe that the economy can be equated to a household budget, that Labour caused the financial crash, that immigrants and benefit claimants must pay the price for cutting the deficit, that austerity is necessary and not ideologically motivated, and so on and so forth. Mock young people all you wish, but the truth is that the large majority of the electorate are completely uninformed.

Basically if you don't agree it's uninformed. Actually no it's opinion - just as your words are opinion, despite the way you persistently try to present them as fact.