[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

How mean,whether you like him or not,that is really nasty

I actually agree but so is calling women slappers and wh*res and sluts and sperm banks and insulting their appearances and saying they're not good for much else, but I haven't seen you denouncing that or refraining from doing it yourself?

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I actually agree but so is calling women slappers and wh*res and sluts and sperm banks and insulting their appearances and saying they're not good for much else, but I haven't seen you denouncing that or refraining from doing it yourself?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I actually agree but so is calling women slappers and wh*res and sluts and sperm banks and insulting their appearances and saying they're not good for much else, but I haven't seen you denouncing that or refraining from doing it yourself?

Big difference is I am on a forum,where the HM8s don't hear so it doesn't hurt them they are none the wiser we are just venting our likes and dislikes,this for Tom is real life and when he comes out it could hurt him a lot for all we know,

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Big difference is I am on a forum,where the HM8s don't hear so it doesn't hurt them they are none the wiser we are just venting our likes and dislikes,this for Tom is real life and when he comes out it could hurt him a lot for all we know,

Sorry but that logic doesn't wash with me, because you could quite easily extend that to this thread and surmise that 'well, he isn't likely to see it so what's the problem'. I don't agree with that and I don't agree with degrading women or insulting their appearances, be it in real life or on a forum, what's the need for it?

And your dislikes of people concern their appearance? And how sexually promiscuous they may or may not be? Isn't that a bit shallow?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Sorry but that logic doesn't wash with me, because you could quite easily extend that to this thread and surmise that 'well, he isn't likely to see it so what's the problem'. I don't agree with that and I don't agree with degrading women or insulting their appearances, be it in real life or on a forum, what's the need for it?

And your dislikes of people concern their appearance? And how sexually promiscuous they may or may not be? Isn't that a bit shallow?

I really don't care what 'washes' with you,I don't see you pulling up your 'mates' when they are degrading anyone that they don't like,tit for tat and all that.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I really don't care what 'washes' with you,I don't see you pulling up your 'mates' when they are degrading anyone that they don't like,tit for tat and all that.

Mess what are you on about.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I really don't care what 'washes' with you,I don't see you pulling up your 'mates' when they are degrading anyone that they don't like,tit for tat and all that.

Talk above defensive, I only pulled you up on your hypocrisy that's all.

And what degradation? Quote some posts here right now and I'll criticise them if they in any way mock a housemates appearance or slut shame them. Hell, in my first reply to you I pretty much criticised Luke for making this thread. I don't think it's right to mock Tom for losing his girlfriend, I don't like him as a housemate but don't think he's done anything in the house to warrant that.

I am actually pretty consistent, you know. I pulled people up for mocking Jason's appearance last year even though I didn't care for him. The question is did you pull your 'friends' up for mocking Lateysha's? Or Charlie's? I don't think you did as a matter of fact, which makes you a hypocrite again.

There is absolutely no need for anyone on here or elsewhere to be degrading women by calling them sluts or slappers, or mocking them or men for the way they look, regardless of whether you like them or not. It's a television show and this isn't a playground. Stick to criticising their characters, that is after all the point of the show.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Talk above defensive, I only pulled you up on your hypocrisy that's all.

And what degradation? Quote some posts here right now and I'll criticise them if they in any way mock a housemates appearance or slut shame them. Hell, in my first reply to you I pretty much criticised Luke for making this thread. I don't think it's right to mock Tom for losing his girlfriend, I don't like him as a housemate but don't think he's done anything in the house to warrant that.

I am actually pretty consistent, you know. I pulled people up for mocking Jason's appearance last year even though I didn't care for him. The question is did you pull your 'friends' up for mocking Lateysha's? Or Charlie's? I don't think you did as a matter of fact, which makes you a hypocrite again.

There is absolutely no need for anyone on here or elsewhere to be degrading women by calling them sluts or slappers, or mocking them or men for the way they look, regardless of whether you like them or not. It's a television show and this isn't a playground. Stick to criticising their characters, that is after all the point of the show.

Go lecture someone who cares I am a terrible person so best to steer clear

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Go lecture someone who cares I am a terrible person so best to steer clear

In other words I'm right and you don't know how to respond? Next time try to make your hypocrisy a little more discreet, because I'm quite adept at exposing it and I guess that can be embarrassing.

But kudos for having the guts to admit it.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Big difference is I am on a forum,where the HM8s don't hear so it doesn't hurt them they are none the wiser we are just venting our likes and dislikes,this for Tom is real life and when he comes out it could hurt him a lot for all we know,

Originally Posted by Jack_

I actually agree but so is calling women slappers and wh*res and sluts and sperm banks and insulting their appearances and saying they're not good for much else, but I haven't seen you denouncing that or refraining from doing it yourself?

Yeah I don't think so, Kazanne.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Big difference is I am on a forum,where the HM8s don't hear so it doesn't hurt them they are none the wiser we are just venting our likes and dislikes,this for Tom is real life and when he comes out it could hurt him a lot for all we know,

Yeah to be fair...we are all on a forum so these.threads arent going to be read most likely. There are plenty of awful things said about people on here....id say this thread is pretty tame compared to many ive seen

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I actually agree but so is calling women slappers and wh*res and sluts and sperm banks and insulting their appearances and saying they're not good for much else, but I haven't seen you denouncing that or refraining from doing it yourself?

Inserts The "oh there's the tea!" Vine here.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I actually agree but so is calling women slappers and wh*res and sluts and sperm banks and insulting their appearances and saying they're not good for much else, but I haven't seen you denouncing that or refraining from doing it yourself?

How can you slap Kazanne for something other people have done. She isnt a mod and neither are you. That was a low blow and totally unnecessary.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by sampvt

How can you slap Kazanne for something other people have done. She isnt a mod and neither are you. That was a low blow and totally unnecessary.

Jack is right you know / nearly headless nick.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Jack is right you know / nearly headless nick.

so predictable.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Jack is right you know / nearly headless nick.

Are these posts codes for something we the general public are not allowed to understand but have secret meaning to only the select few. Would you care to explain this nearly headless nick line.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Are these posts codes for something we the general public are not allowed to understand but have secret meaning to only the select few. Would you care to explain this nearly headless nick line.

A character from harry potter.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by LukeB

A character from harry potter.

ah so its an insult then is it, cool, thanks for the poke.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by sampvt

ah so its an insult then is it, cool, thanks for the poke.

No

I used a quote of his

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

ah so its an insult then is it, cool, thanks for the poke.

Luke called me headless once.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by sampvt

How can you slap Kazanne for something other people have done. She isnt a mod and neither are you. That was a low blow and totally unnecessary.

Because I consistently criticise anyone that mocks any housemate's appearance or slutshames them. Half of this forum may not be consistent but I am.

I don't care who's a mod and who isn't, I continue to believe that the vitriolic and nasty posts about the way housemates look year in, year out make this place a very miserable place to frequent during on season. It's got progressively worse over the last few years and I'll call it out whenever I see fit, because there's absolutely no justification for it whatsoever.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Because I consistently criticise anyone that mocks any housemate's appearance or slutshames them. Half of this forum may not be consistent but I am.

I don't care who's a mod and who isn't, I continue to believe that the vitriolic and nasty posts about the way housemates look year in, year out make this place a very miserable place to frequent during on season. It's got progressively worse over the last few years and I'll call it out whenever I see fit, because there's absolutely no justification for it whatsoever.

If you give me 20 mins ill search back to see how many times you have pulled your mates up for vitriolic posts. Isnt that what you are ragging Kaz about. Whats good for the goose, etc. You hunt and rag me loads but all I do is fight with you (metaphorically of course) and I end up in trouble for arguing my points. Isnt this what you mean, your post has so many holes Im having trouble following your points. You cant insult someone for something they did not do just because it upsets your morals.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by sampvt

If you give me 20 mins ill search back to see how many times you have pulled your mates up for vitriolic posts. Isnt that what you are ragging Kaz about. Whats good for the goose, etc. You hunt and rag me loads but all I do is fight with you (metaphorically of course) and I end up in trouble for arguing my points. Isnt this what you mean, your post has so many holes Im having trouble following your points. You cant insult someone for something they did not do just because it upsets your morals.

Be my guest, if you quote them here and they display the same qualities that I'm describing (mocking someone's appearance or slutshaming them) I'll denounce them right here and now, because I'm a man of my word and consistent. You must realise however that I'm not going to always see every post, but I can assure you that last year in particular I was criticising people who were mocking Jason's appearance. What I was 'ragging' Kaz about (strange turn of phrase) was more that she was (rightly) saying that threads like these are nasty and unnecessary, but at the same time allowing herself and others to be nasty about the way other housemates look, and call women sluts and slappers.

And let's just get this clear Sam - I don't hunt you at all. The large majority of the time (with a few exceptions that I'll concede), it is you that responds to my posts in an abrasive and patronising manner - and so I respond in kind, that's the way it works. Then you accuse me of the very same thing and make out I started it. Look, I'm sure you're a nice man and I have no desire to constantly argue with you, but more often than not it is you that talks down to me and thus what starts it off. If you responded to my posts in a more civilised manner there honestly wouldn't be an issue.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Be my guest, if you quote them here and they display the same qualities that I'm describing (mocking someone's appearance or slutshaming them) I'll denounce them right here and now, because I'm a man of my word and consistent. You must realise however that I'm not going to always see every post, but I can assure you that last year in particular I was criticising people who were mocking Jason's appearance. What I was 'ragging' Kaz about (strange turn of phrase) was more that she was (rightly) saying that threads like these are nasty and unnecessary, but at the same time allowing herself and others to be nasty about the way other housemates look, and call women sluts and slappers.

And let's just get this clear Sam - I don't hunt you at all. The large majority of the time (with a few exceptions that I'll concede), it is you that responds to my posts in an abrasive and patronising manner - and so I respond in kind, that's the way it works. Then you accuse me of the very same thing and make out I started it. Look, I'm sure you're a nice man and I have no desire to constantly argue with you, but more often than not it is you that talks down to me and thus what starts it off. If you responded to my posts in a more civilised manner there honestly wouldn't be an issue.

I guess im gonna have to concede that you made your point well and I cant fault it, so i give you this one, but coming for Kaz was wrong, she did nothing wrong, so lets agree to disagree. I admit when i am wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by sampvt

How can you slap Kazanne for something other people have done. She isnt a mod and neither are you. That was a low blow and totally unnecessary.