[SarenaW]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They really need to play this conversation to rye the house

AGREE! Punish them by playing this conversation... we should bombard BBUK twitter.

[camertone]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Andrew never said a word, and Charlotte was making a valid observation

charlotte is spot on though.

[azi]

Both are awful I hope bb exposes them!

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by azi

Both are awful I hope bb exposes them!

Highly likely ! BB relishes in dropping HM's in it by playing so say 'private' convo's to the whole house , its to be expected.

[mizzy25]

I'd say charlotte was bitching about Chanelle more than Raph. she was implying that Raph was superior to Chanelle therefore should not be friends. Andrew wasn't really saying much.

[Dominic]

If they were bitching about someone else who isnt raph no one here would have a problem lol

[Nicky91]

Charlotte was so right about Raph, he is too classy for Chanelle

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Brenda.

If they were bitching about someone else who isnt raph no one here would have a problem lol

It would still be wrong, because it's talk behind someone's back.

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by Brenda.

If they were bitching about someone else who isnt raph no one here would have a problem lol

My issue isn't that she was bitching about Raph, it was what she was implying that got my back up.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by mizzy25

I'd say charlotte was bitching about Chanelle more than Raph. she was implying that Raph was superior to Chanelle therefore should not be friends. Andrew wasn't really saying much.

Yes agree to a point mizzy,but she didn't say they shouldn't be friends,she said she didn't think they would be friends.

[chuff me dizzy]

Charlotte has him bang to rights !! she's not stupid that girl

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

My issue isn't that she was bitching about Raph, it was what she was implying that got my back up.

she was implying that Raph has a higher social standing than Chanelle and if they hadn't been in the house she didn't think they would have been friends,now what is wrong with that ? she is probably right

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It would still be wrong, because it's talk behind someone's back.

We all talk about people behind their backs besides I am pretty sure Charlotte would have no qualms about telling Raph the same afterall she said nothing nasty about him at all.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We all talk about people behind their backs besides I am pretty sure Charlotte would have no qualms about telling Raph the same afterall she said nothing nasty about him at all.

No one has spoken behind peoples backs more than Raph !!

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

she was implying that Raph has a higher social standing than Chanelle and if they hadn't been in the house she didn't think they would have been friends,now what is wrong with that ? she is probably right

Then why the hell is she friends with Ellie?

BB was always about opposing personalities in the outside, integrating in a house. Odd relationships have formed in the past in the house and this is just another of them.

She shouldn't be so judgmental.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We all talk about people behind their backs besides I am pretty sure Charlotte would have no qualms about telling Raph the same afterall she said nothing nasty about him at all.

Chanelle is everything Raph dislikes in people...she pees in the pool...she constantly talks about sex...and she loud and attention seeking. They won't be meeting up after this show apart from the usual after show stuff.
They have become allies purely because of Lotan...he was too laddish for Raph and Chanelle steered clear because he grabbed more airtime than she did...hence the Outsiders were formed.
Charlotte was spot on...she wasn't bitching she was making a sensible observation.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We all talk about people behind their backs besides I am pretty sure Charlotte would have no qualms about telling Raph the same afterall she said nothing nasty about him at all.

Not Charlotte. She specifically told Chanelle that she does not do that.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Not Charlotte. She specifically told Chanelle that she does not do that.

They all do it....it's human nature. She wasn't bitching she was discussing a relationship between two people.
Chanelle says she says things to people's faces too...but she clearly doesn't.
They all discuss each other ALL OF THEM...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Then why the hell is she friends with Ellie?

BB was always about opposing personalities in the outside, integrating in a house. Odd relationships have formed in the past in the house and this is just another of them.

She shouldn't be so judgmental.

Brilliant point.

It is the assumption that out of the house these would not be friends.

Who is she to infer Raph being successful or intelligent or higher status would not be friends with someone like Chanelle.

What rule other than hers, says intelligent people should only be friends with intelligent people.
Or.successful with only successful.

Had Raph said this to anyone in the house, the outcry against him would be likely enormous.
It's the inference that she states someone because of intelligence, success or upbringing should not be usually friends with those she sees as lesser,which is arrogantly offensive.

Maybe some like that thinking,I for sure don't,never ever have and hopefully never will.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

They all do it....it's human nature. She wasn't bitching she was discussing a relationship between two people.
Chanelle says she says things to people's faces too...but she clearly doesn't.
They all discuss each other ALL OF THEM...

They don't lecture others about doing it while doing it themselves though do they? Charlotte does.

Negatively discussing their friendship = Bitching.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Brilliant point.

It is the assumption that out of the house these would not be friends.

Who is she to infer Raph being successful or intelligent or higher status would not be friends with someone like Chanelle.

What rule other than hers, says intelligent people should only be friends with intelligent people.
Or.successful with only successful.

Had Raph said this to anyone in the house, the outcry against him would be likely enormous.
It's the inference that she states someone because of intelligence, success or upbringing should not be usually friends with those she sees as lesser,which is arrogantly offensive.

Maybe some like that thinking,I for sure don't,never ever have and hopefully never will.

she never said anything that nasty or mean about Raph


Charlotte maybe sees it like that, but maybe she doesn't know any better


it's only positive she thinks of Raph as a intelligent classy person, and maybe he is genuine in his friendship but i worry if Chanelle is that genuine in that friendship, maybe she is using Raph to get further in the competition

and Raph is too good to see him get hurt

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Charlotte wasn't bitching about him ,infact she was being generous saying he was intelligent and a doctor in London or something like that, ,and she didn't think that outside of the house him and chanelle would have been friends,which they probably wouldn't have. she wasn't bitching,she said nothing nasty,dont know about Andrew I cant understand him sometimes.

Spot on.

I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.

All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!

Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:
1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.

Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:
1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.

Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.

I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all! I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.

For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.

I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.

Woah dude!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Spot on.

I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.

All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!

Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:
1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.

Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:
1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.

Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.

I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all! I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.

For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.

I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.

Woah dude!

Spot on Robo

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Spot on.

I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.

All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!

Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:
1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.

Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:
1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.

Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.

I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all! I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.

For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.

I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.

Woah dude!

...or they have literally bonded because they sleep in the same bed and in BB these type of things happen?

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He came across really bitchy tonight. And what the hell has he got against Hannah all of a sudden

everything he said about Hannah was actually him!! Hes the diva!!