[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's very little point in anyone debating with you, until you learn to read posts properly it seems. You take statements, put them out of context and then warp them to suit your agenda instead of actually arguing against what was actually said.

Kizzy said that we can't ignore people in help especially when we played a role in their predicament, how in the blue ****ing hell does that translate into 'unrestricted immigration for all!' Truly poor reading comprehension skills on display here. Poor skills motivated by bigotry and racism.

Truly biased reading comprehension skills motivated by personal agendas, playing the typical oh so tired and boring 'racist' card due to a lack of any constructive critical thinking skills.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Bloody disgraceful. They certainly demonstrated where their allegiances lie - and it clearly isn't with Britain. Shouldn't mindsets trump place of birth as one is clearly much more relevant than the other. Chuck them out for good.

Maybe we could find them an island somewhere, thousands of miles from anywhere, where they can fight amongst themselves and blow each other up to their hearts content.

Ask yourself this... why were they allowed to slip through the net? Instead of hate, hate, hate, try working out why the government, a government who is pretending to protect us all but really isn't, let all these ISIS soldiers back into the UK?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Truly biased reading comprehension skills motivated by personal agendas, playing the typical oh so tired and boring 'racist' card due to a lack of any constructive critical thinking skills.

Well, it does get tired and it does get boring because its like watching a one trick pony. Your critical thinking goes no further than your own fear.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Truly biased reading comprehension skills motivated by personal agendas, playing the typical oh so tired and boring 'racist' card due to a lack of any constructive critical thinking skills.

Ah, so you're just repeating what I've said back at me (and out of context) like a godamn parrot. Says it all really.

I'm just going to make the recommendation to everyone that they just stick you on ignore. Nothing productive comes from interacting with you.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Ask yourself this... why was they allowed to slip through the net? Instead of hate, hate, hate, try working out why the government, a government who is pretending to protect us all but really isn't, let all these ISIS soldiers back into the UK?

I am disgusted with the government for not deporting them and yes putting us at more risk, but that doesn't change my views on other things.

Corbyn would have used tax payers money to provide them with first class travel back to the UK.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so you're just repeating what I've said back at me (and out of context) like a godamn parrot. Says it all really.

I'm just going to make the recommendation to everyone that they just stick you on ignore. Nothing productive comes from interacting with you.

If you are not working as a mod why can't I put you on ignore. You get things both ways don't you. You are here purely to bait as usual.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I am disgusted with the government for not deporting them and yes putting us at more risk, but that doesn't change my views on other things.

Corbyn would have used tax payers money to provide them with first class travel back to the UK.

Ah, so you're less concerned with putting blame on the current government for their actions andinstead want to focus on illogical hypotheticals of what the cartoon character version of Corbyn you have in your head would do if he was actually at the head of a labour government. Corbyn isn't in power, he is not the one making decisions. Distracting yourself with hatred aimed at someone who is irrelevant to the situation you are unhappy with is a waste of time.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so you're just repeating what I've said back at me (and out of context) like a godamn parrot. Says it all really.

I'm just going to make the recommendation to everyone that they just stick you on ignore. Nothing productive comes from interacting with you.

More incitement from you then.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so you're less concerned with putting blame on the current government for their actions andinstead want to focus on illogical hypotheticals of what the cartoon character version of Corbyn you have in your head would do if he was actually at the head of a labour government. Corbyn isn't in power, he is not the one making decisions. Distracting yourself with hatred aimed at someone who is irrelevant to the situation you are unhappy with is a waste of time.

Why waste yours interacting with me then, if not to bait. Practice what you preach.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why waste yours interacting with me then, if not to bait. Practice what you preach.

So you have no argument as to why you refuse to really condemn the government making decisions you are unhappy with and instead are using imaginary scenarios to place blame on an outside individual that has no say in decisions that the Tory government makes.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you have no argument as to why you refuse to really condemn the government making decisions you are unhappy with and instead are using imaginary scenarios to place blame on an outside individual that has no say in decisions that the Tory government makes.

I will clearly have to manage with an invisible ignore button.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I will clearly have to manage with an invisible ignore button.

Ah. no argument then. You know you can't argue against what I'm saying since it's true but you can't bring yourself to admit it either so you're doing the whole 'I'M TAKING THE BALL HOME!' approach that kids do when they are losing a game of football.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah. no argument then. You know you can't argue against what I'm saying since it's true but you can't bring yourself to admit it either so you're doing the whole 'I'M TAKING THE BALL HOME!' approach that kids do when they are losing a game of football.

It's worth letting you think you have actually made a valid point, even when you haven't, than to tolerate the inevitable verbal abuse. That's all you have to offer so don't lecture me.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It's worth letting you think you have actually made a valid point, even when you haven't, than to tolerate the inevitable verbal abuse. That's all you have to offer so don't lecture me.

So you know you've lost the debate but you refuse to admit it? That's just poor sportsmanship.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you know you've lost the debate but you refuse to admit it? That's just poor sportsmanship.

Nobody loses a debate with you. Besides their was no debate on either side. You do get that!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So if you had your way we would let in as many undocumented economic migrants as want to come here and to hell with the risk to everyone else.

That is what I consider scary.

Note that most of these migrants were in a position to pay smugglers and most looked relatively healthy. What about the millions of starving people in Africa. Clearly in more need but not well enough or well off enough to travel. If we could get them here do we take them too? Perhaps we should just completely evacuate the third world and somehow fit everyone into Europe.

Have we destabilised Africa too?... Who is speaking of economic migrants, do you mean refugees? :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I am disgusted with the government for not deporting them and yes putting us at more risk, but that doesn't change my views on other things.

Corbyn would have used tax payers money to provide them with first class travel back to the UK.

I wondered when he'd get a mention! He'd probably give them all a free house and a car too I suppose?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have we destabilised Africa too?... Who is speaking of economic migrants, do you mean refugees? :/

I take it you are aware many of all the migrants coming in the boats are from Africa. They are not refugees. And not all those claiming to be refugees are genuine refugees. We need to check and filter accordingly.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I take it you are aware many of all the migrants coming in the boats are from Africa. They are not refugees. And not all those claiming to be refugees are genuine refugees. We need to check and filter accordingly.

We have to catch them first but very little aid is given (by us) to assist countries like Libya and its the Libyan coastguards who apprehend the boats trying to smuggle Gambians, Nigerians, and Conganese migrants over to Europe. They take them back to Libya and put them in huge detention centres before processing each individual and sending them home. Why should the Libyans have to take on this responsibility without help from Europe, the countries these migrants want to get to. Libya can't afford, nor should be expected to do all this policing on its own.

[DemolitionRed]

We can't blame the migrants. They just want to escape poverty and believe Europe is the land of milk and honey. If I was earning Ł4 a month and a sack of rice cost me Ł5, I would be looking at every option for a better life.

That doesn't mean I accept illegal migrants, it just means I understand why we have them. I also accept that European governments could be doing a lot more to discourage these people
If we can't afford to put systems in place, like Libya is trying hard to do, then they will keep on coming here.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

We can't blame the migrants. They just want to escape poverty and believe Europe is the land of milk and honey. If I was earning Ł4 a month and a sack of rice cost me Ł5, I would be looking at every option for a better life.

That doesn't mean I accept illegal migrants, it just means I understand why we have them. I also accept that European governments could be doing a lot more to discourage these people
If we can't afford to put systems in place, like Libya is trying hard to do, then they will keep on coming here.

Indeed - the vast majority of economic illegal immigrants actually would love to stay where they are. Culturally, socially, geographically... they would love to stay in the country that is their home. Who would actually CHOOSE to leave some gorgeous countries to live crammed into a tiny flat in rainy London with 5 other strangers, all for the honor of working an often less than min wage job?

People make that leap because they feel like they have no choice... and the way to reduce this sort of economic migration isn't "closing the borders" of the countries they're trying to come to... it's actually starting to work together to make sure that people don't have to abandon their homes in the first place.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed - the vast majority of economic illegal immigrants actually would love to stay where they are. Culturally, socially, geographically... they would love to stay in the country that is their home. Who would actually CHOOSE to leave some gorgeous countries to live crammed into a tiny flat in rainy London with 5 other strangers, all for the honor of working an often less than min wage job?

People make that leap because they feel like they have no choice... and the way to reduce this sort of economic migration isn't "closing the borders" of the countries they're trying to come to... it's actually starting to work together to make sure that people don't have to abandon their homes in the first place.

Absolutely but that takes money and resources. When you look at countries like Nigeria and the foreign oil corporations like Shell, Texaco and Mobil there has to be some responsibility laid in their hands. When the Nigerians found oil, the West wanted their chunk of the pie. The only people who suffered in this paradox of plenty were the Nigerians.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed - the vast majority of economic illegal immigrants actually would love to stay where they are. Culturally, socially, geographically... they would love to stay in the country that is their home. Who would actually CHOOSE to leave some gorgeous countries to live crammed into a tiny flat in rainy London with 5 other strangers, all for the honor of working an often less than min wage job?

People make that leap because they feel like they have no choice... and the way to reduce this sort of economic migration isn't "closing the borders" of the countries they're trying to come to... it's actually starting to work together to make sure that people don't have to abandon their homes in the first place.

"Indeed - the vast majority of economic illegal immigrants actually would love to stay where they are. "


what evidence do you have to support this?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Indeed - the vast majority of economic illegal immigrants actually would love to stay where they are. "


what evidence do you have to support this?

Sounds like assumption to me!

[Brillopad]

The latest two suspects arrested over the Parsons Green bombing are asylum seekers.

I would never have guessed.