[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Who ever said that it was impossible that terrorists could pose as asylum seekers? Rewriting history in order to pat yourselves on the back. Pretty sad .

Do you honestly expect any different at this point?

People who are scared and hateful will rewrite reality in a way that works for their confirmation bias.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Do you honestly expect any different at this point?

People who are scared and hateful will rewrite reality in a way that works for their confirmation bias.

nah mate you have egg on your face because you said it was rubbish and that the open borders policy Germany adopted was great.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

nah mate you have egg on your face because you said it was rubbish and that the open borders policy Germany adopted was great.

How about you stop blatantly making **** up to suit your argument? I doubt that I've ever commentated on Germany's open door policy so you can stop with your lies right there.

Stick to the facts, the ACTUAL facts, not the ones conjured up by your imagination.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

How about you stop blatantly making **** up to suit your argument? I doubt that I've ever commentated on Germany's open door policy so you can stop with your lies right there.

Stick to the facts, the ACTUAL facts, not the ones conjured up by your imagination.

will you stick to facts, you continually accuse people of being afraid of brown people when you know nothing about them? not keen on being accused are you...diddums

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

will you stick to facts, you continually accuse people of being afraid of brown people when you know nothing about them? not keen on being accused are you...diddums

You're not very good at this Cherie, tbh I'd suggest you should step off of the forum and calm down a bit; look over your posts again when you have a clearer head. This is sort of embarrassing . I mean, I understand that you have an issue with people being accused of xenophobia / racism but... ... it does happen on here, in my opinion, and in the opinion of others, and I can't quite figure out why you're so keen for those opinions to be invalid?

When people are accused of racism on here, it's generally with a direct quote of the post that the accuser considers to be racist. You might disagree with that assessment but so what, it's not your opinion. You, on the other hand, are throwing out random accusations "about things that you're sure you remember people saying once maybe ages ago but the posts definitely exist and you'll go find them" - except that you wont - and that's a completely different situation.

Quote the posts alongside your opinion of those posts. It's simple enough. People might agree, they might disagree, or whatever, but until then, you're throwing around "he said she said" fantasies.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're not very good at this Cherie, tbh I'd suggest you should step off of the forum and calm down a bit; look over your posts again when you have a clearer head. This is sort of embarrassing . I mean, I understand that you have an issue with people being accused of xenophobia / racism but... ... it does happen on here, in my opinion, and in the opinion of others, and I can't quite figure out why you're so keen for those opinions to be invalid?

When people are accused of racism on here, it's generally with a direct quote of the post that the accuser considers to be racist. You might disagree with that assessment but so what, it's not your opinion. You, on the other hand, are throwing out random accusations "about things that you're sure you remember people saying once maybe ages ago but the posts definitely exist and you'll go find them" - except that you wont - and that's a completely different situation.

Quote the posts alongside your opinion of those posts. It's simple enough. People might agree, they might disagree, or whatever, but until then, you're throwing around "he said she said" fantasies.

You are funny.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You are funny.

I'm not trying to be funny, Cherie. I'm just filling the time while I wait for you to find these posts .

[Cherry Christmas]

I thought it was you crying about leaving a while back because you couldn't get everyone to agree with you?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're not very good at this Cherie, tbh I'd suggest you should step off of the forum and calm down a bit; look over your posts again when you have a clearer head. This is sort of embarrassing . I mean, I understand that you have an issue with people being accused of xenophobia / racism but... ... it does happen on here, in my opinion, and in the opinion of others, and I can't quite figure out why you're so keen for those opinions to be invalid?

When people are accused of racism on here, it's generally with a direct quote of the post that the accuser considers to be racist. You might disagree with that assessment but so what, it's not your opinion. You, on the other hand, are throwing out random accusations "about things that you're sure you remember people saying once maybe ages ago but the posts definitely exist and you'll go find them" - except that you wont - and that's a completely different situation.

Quote the posts alongside your opinion of those posts. It's simple enough. People might agree, they might disagree, or whatever, but until then, you're throwing around "he said she said" fantasies.

The words 'accuser and considers' to be real words of substance in that sentence. Plenty of accusers' who consider this, that and the other to be 'racist' etc who love to present their considerations as fact with a little pinch of insult on top. It means nothing. It is just an excuse for ignorant people to be ignorant.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The words 'accuser and considers' to be real words of substance in that sentence. Plenty of accusers' who consider this, that and the other to be 'racist' etc who love to present their considerations as fact with a little pinch of insult on top. It means nothing. It is just an excuse for ignorant people to be ignorant.

Yes Brillo it is an opinion, we are all entitled to our opinions, that was really my point. I will quote a post that I consider to be racist and say "Hi. I think this is a racist post."

That is my opinion of the post and I am free to state it? As I also already said; the person who posted it, and others, are free to disagree, and make it very clear that they disagree. They should not expect this to change my opinion or to stop me from stating it.

In my opinion, many posts on this forum lately are racist. That IS a fact. It is a fact that I think that. That doesn't mean I'm "presenting the thing itself as fact" no matter how many times to try to pretend it does to shut down the opinion. I'm no more presenting it "as a fact" than you are presenting your opinions about Muslims et al. "as facts".

You think my opinion is wrong. That's fine. I think many of your opinions are wrong, and also, racist. That is also fine. You, and Cherie, disagree with certain of your posts being deemed racist, and other people's posts being deemed racist. That's ALSO fine. You however find it quite offensive apparently and so want it to stop. That really isn't my problem.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

will you stick to facts, you continually accuse people of being afraid of brown people when you know nothing about them? not keen on being accused are you...diddums

I call it like I see it, I've seen nothing to suggest that the slide towards extreme right values in this section is motivated by anything other than hate and an unwillingness to see immigrants, muslims and any other minority that this section finds fault with as subhuman, that's my opinion. I have no problem with controlled immigration or people suggesting that it should be stricter but it's easy to see the difference in intentions between a bigot and someone who simply believes in tougher immigration.

The idea of open borders is ludicrous and so is your irrational mindset that anyone who has sympathy for the plight of refugees (IE people with the capacity for empathy) is automatically endorsing open borders.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I call it like I see it, I've seen nothing to suggest that the slide towards extreme right values in this section is motivated by anything other than hate and an unwillingness to see immigrants, muslims and any other minority that this section finds fault with as subhuman, that's my opinion. I have no problem with controlled immigration or people suggesting that it should be stricter but it's easy to see the difference in intentions between a bigot and someone who simply believes in tougher immigration.

The idea of open borders is ludicrous and so is your irrational mindset that anyone who has sympathy for the plight of refugees (IE people with the capacity for empathy) is automatically endorsing open borders.

Explain why you think wanting control over our borders is 'far-right'. You don't seem to understand degrees as there is a considerable difference between right and far right - but you only see extremes - totally agenda driven.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Explain why you think wanting control over our borders is 'far-right'. You don't seem to understand degrees as there is a considerable difference between right and far right - but you only see extremes - totally agenda driven.

Coming from someone that sees anyone that's muslim and/or arabic as a threat?



Wanting to control immigration isn't extreme like I said in the post that you quoted but haven't seemed to have actually read. The idea of ignoring a massive Refugee Crisis and treating them as subhuman is extreme, you are using an extreme minority to justify your own extreme agenda of wanting to deny help thousands of people who just want to live somewhere that isn't a warzone. You don't want to control immigration, you want to shut it down because you don't understand immigration. It scares the **** out of you because you've brought into the Dail Mail's agenda, you look for articles that specifically appeal to your confirmation bias. You've brought into lies such as immigration is going to kill off the NHS because you want to believe it's true. You want to feel like your hatred is justified.