[Kizzy]

Oh another pointless Corbyn bashing thread.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh another pointless Corbyn bashing thread.

Only when you have a closed mind and an agenda. It is a valid point. Is appointing a convicted vote rigger a wise decision when she will likely be involved in future elections. It will likely open the flood gates as far as future vote rigging allegations are concerned. Do the Labour Party really need that sort of publicity.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh another pointless Corbyn bashing thread.

Sadly so Kizzy.

I made an effort to discuss this in a balanced way rather than just from selective dislike of individual or Party.
Sadly that apears impossible to do.

The more worrying thing about this is, someone pleading guilty to a wrong/crime,who is then given a legal punishment,duly completed too..
Who after 11 years on from that now spent conviction, should according to a few here,never get given work again.

It makes you wonder why we bother with a judicial system of crime and then punishment /rehabilitation.
Perhaps we should just leave it to these armchair kangaroo uncompromising personal courts.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Sadly so Kizzy.

I made an effort to discuss this in a balanced way rather than just from selective dislike of individual or Party.
Sadly that apears impossible to do.

The more worrying thing about this is, someone pleading guilty to a wrong/crime,who is then given a legal punishment,duly completed too..
Who after 11 years on from that now spent conviction, should according to a few here,never get given work again.

It makes you wonder why we bother with a judicial system of crime and then punishment /rehabilitation.
Perhaps we should just leave it to these armchair kangaroo uncompromising personal courts.

Of course she should be given work again, just not in Government.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Sadly so Kizzy.

I made an effort to discuss this in a balanced way rather than just from selective dislike of individual or Party.
Sadly that apears impossible to do.

The more worrying thing about this is, someone pleading guilty to a wrong/crime,who is then given a legal punishment,duly completed too..
Who after 11 years on from that now spent conviction, should according to a few here,never get given work again.

It makes you wonder why we bother with a judicial system of crime and then punishment /rehabilitation.
Perhaps we should just leave it to these armchair kangaroo uncompromising personal courts.

Yes, no, yes, no.

When a punishment is duly completed, it can still carry a reputation and that reputation may or may not cause problems for certain work roles in the future.

An example of that is the care industry. If someone has had a previous conviction for abuse of the elderly, regardless of that conviction being spent, they are not likely to get a job anywhere in the care sector again.

This particular woman deeply regrets what she did. She's paid for her crime and she's probably a very safe candidate to take on but she's got a reputation and that reputation is corruption within politics. That reputation will inevitably raise suspicion in future elections, regardless of how honest or not she is.

The right-wing media aren't going to let this go and her name will be used again and again to blacken the reputation of the Labour party.

Re-employing this woman doesn't sit well with me because of all the siht that comes with it. I want the Labour party to go from strength to strength but things like this don't help.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes, no, yes, no.

When a punishment is duly completed, it can still carry a reputation and that reputation may or may not cause problems for certain work roles in the future.

An example of that is the care industry. If someone has had a previous conviction for abuse of the elderly, regardless of that conviction being spent, they are not likely to get a job anywhere in the care sector again.

This particular woman deeply regrets what she did. She's paid for her crime and she's probably a very safe candidate to take on but she's got a reputation and that reputation is corruption within politics. That reputation will inevitably raise suspicion in future elections, regardless of how honest or not she is.

The right-wing media aren't going to let this go and her name will be used again and again to blacken the reputation of the Labour party.

Re-employing this woman doesn't sit well with me because of all the siht that comes with it. I want the Labour party to go from strength to strength but things like this don't help.

It's the way the left wing media works. It's all a great big pantomime.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's the way the left wing media works. It's all a great big pantomime.

Yes well thanks for that intelligent response Livia!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh another pointless Corbyn bashing thread.

Don't shoot the messenger. Corbyn just keeps on giving.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh another pointless Corbyn bashing thread.

This is where a thread starts to go downhill.
Joey and DM give balanced and respectful views on a perfectly legitimate thread.
Why can't you? Another case of pushing buttons to derail a thread you don't like.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

This is where a thread starts to go downhill.
Joey and DM give balanced and respectful views on a perfectly legitimate thread.
Why can't you? Another case of pushing buttons to derail a thread you don't like.

I agree.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

This is where a thread starts to go downhill.
Joey and DM give balanced and respectful views on a perfectly legitimate thread.
Why can't you? Another case of pushing buttons to derail a thread you don't like.

It was specifically structured to go downhill... Do you think the OP had a balanced debate in mind when creating it? No of course not. I am wise to these now and will be avoiding them in the future.
I thought all the anti Corbyn threads started by the OP had been lumped into one super Corbyn bashing thread anyway? this one must have missed the memo.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was specifically structured to go downhill... Do you think the OP had a balanced debate in mind when creating it? No of course not. I am wise to these now and will be avoiding them in the future.
I thought all the anti Corbyn threads started by the OP had been lumped into one super Corbyn bashing thread anyway? this one must have missed the memo.

This is serious debates AND news forum, not every thread has to be a debate!


So would you be happy for a convicted pedo who has served their time to be given a role in schools and education?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

This is serious debates AND news forum, not every thread has to be a debate!


So would you be happy for a convicted pedo who has served their time to be given a role in schools and education?

And?... My point remains, this is yet another anti Corbyn thread to highlight the issue the OP has with corbyn designed to gum up SD and goad Labour members.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And?... My point remains, this is yet another anti Corbyn thread to highlight the issue the OP has with corbyn designed to gum up SD and goad Labour members.

Thats a far fetched accusation, goading in print right there..

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And?... My point remains, this is yet another anti Corbyn thread to highlight the issue the OP has with corbyn designed to gum up SD and goad Labour members.

I think when anyone starts a new discussion, they shouldn't give an opinion on the initial opening post. Getting varied opinions is a wise option because if you start a post with your own bias, your dictating which way you want the thread to go. I'm not sure why people who do this don't just write a blog