[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Think his point was that you can't say **** (p-word) but you can say "chinky", showing that one has become a more commonly recognised racial slur.

They are the same for me whether 'p shop' or 'c takeway' in my experience the people which use those terms will also use them as a racially aggravated descriptor 'effing p' or 'effing c'.
I don't recognise that one is any more or less offensive than the other personally.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are the same for me whether 'p shop' or 'c takeway' in my experience the people which use those terms will also use them as a racially aggravated descriptor 'effing p' or 'effing c'.
I don't recognise that one is any more or less offensive than the other personally.

Maybe it's different by area, I rarely hear it used in the context of anything but the food and... to be frank... I hear "English" used as a slur far more often (English ****, English bastard, English whatever) so as mentioned before, I think context matters. Or to go back to the earlier example; I hate being referred to as "Scotch" and I'd guess most Scottish people do... but no one takes issue with the term "Scotch Whiskey". Likewise, in my (admittedly limited) experience of Chinese people in Britain, they would not like to be called "Chinkies" but have no issue with people referring to a Chinese meal as "getting a Chinky". Also most of my colleagues refer to it in those terms but would lose their **** (and have done) if they heard any slur like that being used in a derogatory or aggressive way.

It's fair enough to NOT want to call it that for whatever reason... I personally don't either because I'm a bit of a posho in that I don't really use many colloquialisms in general (I don't even call small things "wee" )

And, tbf, if a Chinese person ever said "I'd rather you didn't call it that" I'd expect people to respect that and not just defiantly be like "Tough I'll call it what I want!!" because there's just no need.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe it's different by area, I rarely hear it used in the context of anything but the food and... to be frank... I hear "English" used as a slur far more often (English ****, English bastard, English whatever) so as mentioned before, I think context matters. Or to go back to the earlier example; I hate being referred to as "Scotch" and I'd guess most Scottish people do... but no one takes issue with the term "Scotch Whiskey". Likewise, in my (admittedly limited) experience of Chinese people in Britain, they would not like to be called "Chinkies" but have no issue with people referring to a Chinese meal as "getting a Chinky". Also most of my colleagues refer to it in those terms but would lose their **** (and have done) if they heard any slur like that being used in a derogatory or aggressive way.

It's fair enough to NOT want to call it that for whatever reason... I personally don't either because I'm a bit of a posho in that I don't really use many colloquialisms in general (I don't even call small things "wee" )

And, tbf, if a Chinese person ever said "I'd rather you didn't call it that" I'd expect people to respect that and not just defiantly be like "Tough I'll call it what I want!!" because there's just no need.

That's ok as usual there are those willing to be offended on their behalf...

Personally when asked I would say 'we're having Chinese', it's not difficult and avoids the possibility of offence doesn't it?

The strange notion that it detracts from our language taking words out is worrying if only if you take the time to consider why they became 'words' in the first instance.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's ok as usual there are those willing to be offended on their behalf...

Personally when asked I would say 'we're having Chinese', it's not difficult and avoids the possibility of offence doesn't it?

The strange notion that it detracts from our language taking words out is worrying if only if you take the time to consider why they became 'words' in the first instance.

Its a Scottish thing to put Y's on things like bevvy, chippy, icy (ice cream van), drinky (yon dug is havin a wee drinky fae that dub), chinky, a wee warmy at the fire, a wee cuppy tea, going for a proper swally oan a Friday etc

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its a Scottish thing to put Y's on things like bevvy, chippy, icy (ice cream van), drinky (yon dug is havin a wee drinky fae that dub), chinky, a wee warmy at the fire, a wee cuppy tea, going for a proper swally oan a Friday etc

I'm from Yorkshire... We say lovey, chippy, drinky and many others. C **** is an offensive term I don't say that, for that reason. Your accent can't be used to justify your use of that term.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm from Yorkshire... We say lovey, chippy, drinky and many others. C **** is an offensive term I don't say that, for that reason. Your accent can't be used to justify your use of that term.

sorry i dont see it as offensive and have never heard it expressed in that way to describe a type of food takeaway

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sorry i dont see it as offensive and have never heard it expressed in that way to describe a type of food takeaway

Sorry had to laugh....

'Find the words ‘poofter’ and ‘Chinky’ inoffensive? You’re probably an elderly, male, Northern, Ukip voter.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...kip-voter.html

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's ok as usual there are those willing to be offended on their behalf...

Personally when asked I would say 'we're having Chinese', it's not difficult and avoids the possibility of offence doesn't it?

The strange notion that it detracts from our language taking words out is worrying if only if you take the time to consider why they became 'words' in the first instance.

I find it quite hard to accept that you're so careful not to hurt people's feeling when ordering a takeaway, but you are capable of being quite rude and cutting on here. It's a fine balance to strike.

I don't speak for the whole Jewish community as you intimate in your last post. But then, you don't speak for the whole of the Chinese community.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I find it quite hard to accept that you're so careful not to hurt people's feeling when ordering a takeaway, but you are capable of being quite rude and cutting on here. It's a fine balance to strike.

I don't speak for the whole Jewish community as you intimate in your last post. But then, you don't speak for the whole of the Chinese community.

I find it really easy not to be rude Livia, I'll be happy to help you out anytime you need any assistance.

Never did I suggest I spoke for the Chinese community.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I find it really easy not to be rude Livia, I'll be happy to help you out anytime you need any assistance.

Never did I suggest I spoke for the Chinese community.

And never did I suggest I spoke for the whole Jewish community.