[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The experience I've had with transgender m-f is, many are divas and there's a lot of promiscuity. That said, I met one transgender who I would have gladly dated if I'd been single and I consider myself quite fussy.

Are you bi DR? Or did you still see them as a bloke even though they want to be a woman? Did you actually see them as a woman?

I have a transsexual woman in my extended family actually. My husbands cousins sister is dating one. Its quite an odd situation, as the transsexual woman has has a boob job and dresses 'as a woman' (infact she was the bridesmaid at my husbands cousins wedding, which raised a few eyebrows as honestly, she still looks very very manly) and does want the full op, but her partner says if she has the full op she will split up with her as she wants..basically..a penis to shag. So she sees her as a bloke obviously but is fine with her wanting to look 'like a woman' (though as I said, she really does NOT look like a woman at all, looks like a bloke in dresses with a boob job). And the transsexual women has agreed not to get the op as she wants to keep her current partner. Its all quite weird to me but each to their own. I could never shag a bloke who had had a boobjob (and whos boobs are ****ing better than mine as they are plastic!). I refer to this person by their name, and try to avoid using pronouns whenever possible as I know I will slip up. Its easy to use her pronouns when typing though as I can go back and correct myself whenever necessary. This person though, is not one of the crazies who will go bat**** on people for saying 'he' and accuse them of transphobia, and they readily admit that they are male, rather than saying they are female and have always been female just because they say so like so many 'transgenders' do, and also does not call herself a 'lesbian' as she knows that lesbians are female people. Which ties in even more with my opinion that its not actual transsexuals who are the problem, its the new breed of 'transgenders' with an entitled attitude who think the world revolve around them and everyone should ignore what they can see with their own eyes and lie.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

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People like your cousin's friend's sister's auntie's brother's girlfriend's

sister's boyfriend's cousin's hairdresser make me wonder why they bother transitioning - if you don't look the part, and everyone sees them as a "man in a dress", what's the point? It won't help abate their dysphoria, or do much to change their place in society.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

People like your cousin's friend's sister's auntie's brother's girlfriend's

sister's boyfriend's cousin's hairdresser make me wonder why they bother transitioning - if you don't look the part, and everyone sees them as a "man in a dress", what's the point? It won't help abate their dysphoria, or do much to change their place in society.

It doesn't matter to this person if other see them as a male in a dress. Their sex dysphoria is solely about their body. Its not about people 'seeing them as a woman' as such.

However I do wonder, if the dysphoria is that strong then surely you would rather continue with transition, rather than stop it for 'love'? And how on earth, if you are dysphoric about being a male person...can you use your dick during sex. Using your dick is about as male as it gets surely?

Also (husbands) cousins sisters partner is not that bad surely? I do class them as extended family

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It doesn't matter to this person if other see them as a male in a dress. Their sex dysphoria is solely about their body. Its not about people 'seeing them as a woman' as such.

However I do wonder, if the dysphoria is that strong then surely you would rather continue with transition, rather than stop it for 'love'? And how on earth, if you are dysphoric about being a male person...can you use your dick during sex. Using your dick is about as male as it gets surely?

Also (husbands) cousins sisters partner is not that bad surely? I do class them as extended family

Perhaps she just wants to be loved by a female as a woman? and perhaps the rest of it doesn't matter. I'll bet that if you asked any hetrosexual male to female trans what they would wish for more than anyting else in life, most of them would say, "a woman who loves my female side"

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Perhaps she just wants to be loved by a female as a woman? and perhaps the rest of it doesn't matter. I'll bet that if you asked any hetrosexual male to female trans what they would wish for more than anyting else in life, most of them would say, "a woman who loves my female side"

Shes not loved by a female as a woman, if she is shagging them with her penis though. Thats the most male thing anyone can do really.

'a woman who loves my female side'. I would challenge this and say it should be 'a woman who loves my feminine side'. Seems a small difference, but its a big difference given the state of the debate today.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Shes not loved by a female as a woman, if she is shagging them with her penis though. Thats the most male thing anyone can do really.

'a woman who loves my female side'. I would challenge this and say it should be 'a woman who loves my feminine side'. Seems a small difference, but its a big difference given the state of the debate today.

Do you know for certainty that she shags him as a female?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Do you know for certainty that she shags him as a female?

I don't understand the question

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Are you bi DR? Or did you still see them as a bloke even though they want to be a woman? Did you actually see them as a woman?

I am bi but regardless of that, I saw this person as a woman. I'd seen him as a man and didn't find him as attractive. I think what I found particularly attractive about her is, the way she embraced and celebrated her feminine side. She was brave enough to do what came naturally to her and she did come over very naturally.

I have a transsexual woman in my extended family actually. My husbands cousins sister is dating one. Its quite an odd situation, as the transsexual woman has has a boob job and dresses 'as a woman' (infact she was the bridesmaid at my husbands cousins wedding, which raised a few eyebrows as honestly, she still looks very very manly) and does want the full op, but her partner says if she has the full op she will split up with her as she wants..basically..a penis to shag. So she sees her as a bloke obviously but is fine with her wanting to look 'like a woman' (though as I said, she really does NOT look like a woman at all, looks like a bloke in dresses with a boob job). And the transsexual women has agreed not to get the op as she wants to keep her current partner. Its all quite weird to me but each to their own. I could never shag a bloke who had had a boobjob (and whos boobs are ****ing better than mine as they are plastic!). I refer to this person by their name, and try to avoid using pronouns whenever possible as I know I will slip up. Its easy to use her pronouns when typing though as I can go back and correct myself whenever necessary. This person though, is not one of the crazies who will go bat**** on people for saying 'he' and accuse them of transphobia, and they readily admit that they are male, rather than saying they are female and have always been female just because they say so like so many 'transgenders' do, and also does not call herself a 'lesbian' as she knows that lesbians are female people. Which ties in even more with my opinion that its not actual transsexuals who are the problem, its the new breed of 'transgenders' with an entitled attitude who think the world revolve around them and everyone should ignore what they can see with their own eyes and lie.

Your relative wants a chick with a d*ck!! I can see her point! though I wouldn't be interested in enhanced breasts.

My years in the London clubland probably made me a lot more open-minded. I've been to fet clubs like TG's where you can be anyone you want to be and as I said here recently, at the end of the night when everything else was closed, we all used to pile into Alices Cafe attached to Stunners (probably the biggest transexual club in London). Before I'd had all that experience, I wouldn't have been nearly so tolerant but when you spend some good positive time around these people, you quickly learn that many of them are just the same as us but with a slightly different angle.

I'm well aware of the loud-mouthed chicks who drive lorries through the week and sneak out on a Saturday night without their wife knowing, to parade around (usually in front of a nightclub mirror) in a frock and ridiculously high heels in the hope that someone will tell them how gorgeous they look. I've had some seriously bitchy sarcasms from jealous, overzealous shehe's who begrudge a real female intrusion into the ladies loos! but those loud mouth demanding transexuals are just not nice people, regardless of how they dress and its people like them who are spoiling it for the nice ones.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I am bi but regardless of that, I saw this person as a woman. I'd seen him as a man and didn't find him as attractive. I think what I found particularly attractive about her is, the way she embraced and celebrated her feminine side. She was brave enough to do what came naturally to her and she did come over very naturally.

Fair enough, I don't want to tell you your sexuality obviously, but in light of your reply, I would say you were probably pansexual, rather than bi?

I am actually bi, though have not been with a female for a long long time (since I was 17) but I could not be done with a person who looked like a man in all aspects but had a vagina, or vice versa. Just would be a huge turnoff for me.

I consider myself mostly straight now though tbh. I know sexuality does not change as such,. but its been a very long time since I was sexually interested in a female. Thats not just as I am married or in a long term relationship or anything as obviously I still fancy people besides my husband. I just have not seriously fancied a woman for ages, besides the usua 'shes really pretty' thought.

Your relative wants a chick with a d*ck!! I can see her point! though I wouldn't be interested in enhanced breasts.

Basically, it seems that way. Chick with a dick is a very popular porn category actually, so it seems to be fairly popular in general

My years in the London clubland probably made me a lot more open-minded. I've been to fet clubs like TG's where you can be anyone you want to be and as I said here recently, at the end of the night when everything else was closed, we all used to pile into Alices Cafe attached to Stunners (probably the biggest transexual club in London). Before I'd had all that experience, I wouldn't have been nearly so tolerant but when you spend some good positive time around these people, you quickly learn that many of them are just the same as us but with a slightly different angle.

I'm well aware of the loud-mouthed chicks who drive lorries through the week and sneak out on a Saturday night without their wife knowing, to parade around (usually in front of a nightclub mirror) in a frock and ridiculously high heels in the hope that someone will tell them how gorgeous they look. I've had some seriously bitchy sarcasms from jealous, overzealous shehe's who begrudge a real female intrusion into the ladies loos! but those loud mouth demanding transexuals are just not nice people, regardless of how they dress and its people like them who are spoiling it for the nice ones.

Yeah, I used to think my long time on the LGBT scene made me open minded. Until it turned out lesbians were afraid to tell me of their very real experience with 'transgender' people and their dicks. They were scared to tell me as apparently I was too 'right on' in my thinking and would have joined in with the 'transphobe' taunting. And I am ashamed to admit, I probably would have :S Given until about a year back, I saw nothing wrong with our moderation policy on 'transphobia' and would happily infract anyone who referred to say...Kellie Maloney, as he when on BB. Its only very recently that I challenged this policy and said basically, we are forcing people to have a certain view, a view that is NOT scientifically proven and is akin to a religion. So we are forcing one religion onto people by moderating in that way. I don;t know if the policy did change or not, but I refuse to subscribe to the view that people have souls and can be 'born in the wrong body' any longer, so if I get banned for this so be it tbh. 'Born in the wrong body' is a mental illness. If it eases the sex dysphoria to have surgeries to resemble the opposite sex, then good for you. But noone can ever 'change sex'.

I don't think its an extreme view that males cannot become female, and the other way around. But apparently..it really is?! Even though transsexual people readily admit that they are their biological sex, just want to be the opposite one. I have not met even one transsexual woman who believes they ARE female. This seems to be entirely driven by 'transgender' people, and more specifically, biological males who are straight and want to shag lesbians and enter female changing rooms.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Fair enough, I don't want to tell you your sexuality obviously, but in light of your reply, I would say you were probably pansexual, rather than bi?

I am actually bi, though have not been with a female for a long long time (since I was 17) but I could not be done with a person who looked like a man in all aspects but had a vagina, or vice versa. Just would be a huge turnoff for me.

I consider myself mostly straight now though tbh. I know sexuality does not change as such,. but its been a very long time since I was sexually interested in a female. Thats not just as I am married or in a long term relationship or anything as obviously I still fancy people besides my husband. I just have not seriously fancied a woman for ages, besides the usua 'shes really pretty' thought.



Basically, it seems that way. Chick with a dick is a very popular porn category actually, so it seems to be fairly popular in general


Yeah, I used to think my long time on the LGBT scene made me open minded. Until it turned out lesbians were afraid to tell me of their very real experience with 'transgender' people and their dicks. They were scared to tell me as apparently I was too 'right on' in my thinking and would have joined in with the 'transphobe' taunting. And I am ashamed to admit, I probably would have :S Given until about a year back, I saw nothing wrong with our moderation policy on 'transphobia' and would happily infract anyone who referred to say...Kellie Maloney, as he when on BB. Its only very recently that I challenged this policy and said basically, we are forcing people to have a certain view, a view that is NOT scientifically proven and is akin to a religion. So we are forcing one religion onto people by moderating in that way. I don;t know if the policy did change or not, but I refuse to subscribe to the view that people have souls and can be 'born in the wrong body' any longer, so if I get banned for this so be it tbh. 'Born in the wrong body' is a mental illness. If it eases the sex dysphoria to have surgeries to resemble the opposite sex, then good for you. But noone can ever 'change sex'.

I don't think its an extreme view that males cannot become female, and the other way around. But apparently..it really is?! Even though transsexual people readily admit that they are their biological sex, just want to be the opposite one. I have not met even one transsexual woman who believes they ARE female. This seems to be entirely driven by 'transgender' people, and more specifically, biological males who are straight and want to shag lesbians and enter female changing rooms.

I think people can have whatever view they want, so when you say, nobody can ever change sex, its subjective. If we look at it scientifically, under the assumption that to be a woman or a man, you have to have ovaries or testicles, your right, but you have to accept that science is not about certainty. Humanities is a fairly new and exciting subject.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think people can have whatever view they want, so when you say, nobody can ever change sex, its subjective. If we look at it scientifically, under the assumption that to be a woman or a man, you have to have ovaries or testicles, your right, but you have to accept that science is not about certainty. Humanities is a fairly new and exciting subject.

Of course people can have whatever view they want. But to scream 'transphobe' at anyone who believe in what we currently know by science (maybe it will change in the future, who knows) is bloody ridiculous. And its whats happening, a lot.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course people can have whatever view they want. But to scream 'transphobe' at anyone who believe in what we currently know by science (maybe it will change in the future, who knows) is bloody ridiculous. And its whats happening, a lot.

I can see why people get agitated and defensive when transgender women start stomping their stiletto heels and demanding rights that they very probably shouldn't have but that lot don't tend to be transexuals. Transexuals tend to be a lot less in peoples faces and less likely to bring attention to themselves.

Why should we condemn and belittle transexuals because transgenders are making a fuss? Two friends of ours have a transexual son (born female). I can't even start to imagine how he would feel if someone said, "your not and never will be a real man". I just don't understand why anyone would want to make that a thing.

We have to be careful not to broadly condemn these people and we have to accept that each and every one of us will feel differently about transgender and transexual people.

As for lesbians being harassed by transgender 'lesbians', I completely understand their annoyance. Nobody should be intimidated by anyone.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I can see why people get agitated and defensive when transgender women start stomping their stiletto heels and demanding rights that they very probably shouldn't have but that lot don't tend to be transexuals. Transexuals tend to be a lot less in peoples faces and less likely to bring attention to themselves.

Why should we condemn and belittle transexuals because transgenders are making a fuss? Two friends of ours have a transexual son (born female). I can't even start to imagine how he would feel if someone said, "your not and never will be a real man". I just don't understand why anyone would want to make that a thing.

We have to be careful not to broadly condemn these people and we have to accept that each and every one of us will feel differently about transgender and transexual people.

As for lesbians being harassed by transgender 'lesbians', I completely understand their annoyance. Nobody should be intimidated by anyone.

We don't but these people have been using spaces associated with their chosen sex for years now (if they pass. if they don't they tend to use the areas for their actual sex, so as not to upset people) with little issue. Its been an honour system tbh. So why are laws required that say 'all male people have access to female areas'? Which SI whats being proposed. And is what I am pushing back against with all of my might as I see how detrimental this would be to females.

Why the need for 'self-identification' laws when transsexual people would be able to receive a GRC anyway by basis of having actual sex dysphoria, and 'living as' their chosen sex for 2 years?

The proposed changes to law will not help transsexual people at all. Nor do the actions of transactivists and 'transgender' people.

In the case of your friends son, I would never say to him that he will always be female, though I do think that. As I am a nice person and do not wish to upset anyone.