[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

My issue here is the Tories are evil. I genuinely do think they have no hearts at all, mainly for their treatment of the disabled tbh. May is more of a shambles than Corbyn right now also. So I feel I HAVE to vote Labour just to get rid of the Tories. Given only those two parties ever stand a chance of election. Labour seem the best of a bad bunch, to put it midly. So much about the current state of Labour (plus Momentum) I cannot stand, but they are STILL better than the Tories IMO. It saddens me that the only realistic options we have are both awful.

This was exactly my reasoning for voting Labour in the GE and I can’t fecking stand the hard left.
A more center ground Labour party is what we need.Corbyn,McDonell and Momentum need to feck off.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This was exactly my reasoning for voting Labour in the GE and I can’t fecking stand the hard left.
A more center ground Labour party is what we need.Corbyn,McDonell and Momentum need to feck off.

In all fairness they had their moment, why didn't they succeed? Were they not vocal enough for the greater good in the way that corbyn is...

Personally my issue with the moderates in the Labour party are they to me appear to be the ones appeasing business for a slice of whichever sector pie is on offer and bugger society.
Corbyn is attractive to be for effectively saying sod your pie, I don't want it... I'm going to fit on the floor of this train and eat a nice apple with the public!


That's why he gets my vote.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

In all fairness they had their moment, why didn't they succeed? Were they not vocal enough for the greater good in the way that corbyn is...

Personally my issue with the moderates in the Labour party are they to me appear to be the ones appeasing business for a slice of whichever sector pie is on offer and bugger society.
Corbyn is attractive to be for effectively saying sod your pie, I don't want it... I'm going to fit on the floor of this train and eat a nice apple with the public!


That's why he gets my vote.

And you don’t think that is exactly what he wants you to think, which of course maybe why he does it. He is playing the ‘caring’ card.

Even if you are right about him and he is more genuine than I give him credit for, which I have severe reservations about, he is surrounding himself with some very dubious characters who will likely be making a lot of the important decisions which for many is a very scary prospect.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And you don’t think that is exactly what he wants you to think, which of course maybe why he does it. He is playing the ‘caring’ card.

Even if you are right about him and he is more genuine than I give him credit for, which I have severe reservations about, he is surrounding himself with some very dubious characters who will likely be making a lot of the important decisions which for many is a very scary prospect.

Were you not one concerned with CETA pre brexit? david davis today stated that Canada +++ is our most viable option... so that's a certainty now.

Who else will be our trading partners? Will they have dubious human rights records, how will we make our money more babykilla bombs for SA?

So he may be playing a card, I'll take that risk because may isn't, she is very openly expressing her support for a 'meritocracy' which means that your chances of survival are limited by your own capability to in the 'laisez faire '
sense... you are as is the founding ideology of conservatism 'cut adrift'..

I would go further and suggest that recent policy has rendered many vulnerable groups almost entirely unsupported and the support they do have is from the third sector (volunteers) or in other words 'society'.

Why have they done this? I was reading recently about another organisation, I won't say which where a similar thing happened the rights and provision for these groups were removed and they were considered nothing but 'useless eaters' (clue).

This is where we are at now, it's scary just how deep in the rabbit hole we are and yet the establishment is not considered corrupt but our guiding light overlords steering Britain to safety away from the evil EU.... When in actuality they've smashed the UK to pieces poisoned minds against our European nations with whom we share cultural and democratic ties for what?.... the WTO?.. With the BRIC countries who think human rights are a Eurovision song contest entry?!


Pfffft!!!

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

In all fairness they had their moment, why didn't they succeed? Were they not vocal enough for the greater good in the way that corbyn is...

Personally my issue with the moderates in the Labour party are they to me appear to be the ones appeasing business for a slice of whichever sector pie is on offer and bugger society.
Corbyn is attractive to be for effectively saying sod your pie, I don't want it... I'm going to fit on the floor of this train and eat a nice apple with the public!


That's why he gets my vote.

The problem is that the pie is what attracts business to the country.No pie,No point.
Socialism is a nice dream where everyone gets a slice of the pie no matter how hard they work for it but unfortunately never works.
I think somewhere in the middle is the best option.
The tricky part seems to be finding the right balance so we all get enough pie that we don’t starve but those who earn more pie get their fair share and for that we need to make more pies.Socialist countries usually end up with hardly any pie left as the chefs aren’t motivated enough to bother making them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The problem is that the pie is what attracts business to the country.No pie,No point.
Socialism is a nice dream where everyone gets a slice of the pie no matter how hard they work for it but unfortunately never works.
I think somewhere in the middle is the best option.
The tricky part seems to be finding the right balance so we all get enough pie that we don’t starve but those who earn more pie get their fair share and for that we need to make more pies.Socialist countries usually end up with hardly any pie left as the chefs aren’t motivated enough to bother making them.

I think you killed my pie analogy.... :/

Our infrastructure as in industry, transport, utilities and buildings

They are predominantly in the hands of foreign investors now, we don't own anything Britain was sold off... We do still have business and lots of fingers in lots of pies, we have services and innovation but these are fickle and can relocate... as we've seen the financial sector beginning to wander off due to brexit.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

I think you killed my pie analogy.... :/

Our infrastructure as in industry, transport, utilities and buildings

They are predominantly in the hands of foreign investors now, we don't own anything Britain was sold off... We do still have business and lots of fingers in lots of pies, we have services and innovation but these are fickle and can relocate... as we've seen the financial sector beginning to wander off due to brexit.

That’s one thing i am kind of in favour of with Corbyn.Renationalisation.Although i’m dubious of McDonells claim that it’ll pay for itself.Specially if they drop fares which would be one of their incentives to renationalise.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

That’s one thing i am kind of in favour of with Corbyn.Renationalisation.Although i’m dubious of McDonells claim that it’ll pay for itself.Specially if they drop fares which would be one of their incentives to renationalise.

I guess he means the profit margin would be lower then but there would still be one... Have you seen the profits for private rail companies? ooooff!!!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

I guess he means the profit margin would be lower then but there would still be one... Have you seen the profits for private rail companies? ooooff!!!

I was chatting to an accountant yesterday and he was telling me that the head university don in Bolton is earning £600,000 a year and that same job seven years ago was worth £60,000 a year.