[joeysteele]

Whatever is really the story here,since reports have gone to the police,legal advice taken.
Until that process goes through and the full and real details are known that are established legal and right facts.
Then it's time to judge any Parties position and what should be done.

Just as the accusations of sexual harassment related to some in the Con party and others.
It was right for the Cons to say little at all until legal advice was given,and the investigation and process of law as to legal rights were near or were completed.

Labour will act and should do so too as to any proven,solidly substantiated wrongdoing on any issue.
So I will wait now,since legal advice has been taken,also any referrals to police or officialdom is completed.
When absolutely full substantiated facts are in place and them legitimately made known.

As for membership, over half a million members is hardly losing members at all.
Of course,as in all Parties,even much smaller Parties,in Labour and Cons,there are people who may be better not in the Parties as Members.

However,where legality is taken as in issues as in sex scandals,expenses scandal,and this issue possibly too.
I will hold my counsel until full investigate processes have actually deemed what are justifiable facts either way before I'll go into the issue.
It sounds bad,however apart from the expenses scandal, few things end up being proven to be as bad as was originally expected.
So I for one unsurprisingly will wait ,while sharing of course dismay at the content IF it were it to be proven fully substantiated,I stress IF.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Whatever is really the story here,since reports have gone to the police,legal advice taken.
Until that process goes through and the full and real details are known that are established legal and right facts.
Then it's time to judge any Parties position and what should be done.

Just as the accusations of sexual harassment related to some in the Con party and others.
It was right for the Cons to say little at all until legal advice was given,and the investigation and process of law as to legal rights were near or were completed.

Labour will act and should do so too as to any proven,solidly substantiated wrongdoing on any issue.
So I will wait now,since legal advice has been taken,also any referrals to police or officialdom is completed.
When absolutely full substantiated facts are in place and them legitimately made known.

As for membership, over half a million members is hardly losing members at all.
Of course,as in all Parties,even much smaller Parties,in Labour and Cons,there are people who may be better not in the Parties as Members.

However,where legality is taken as in issues as in sex scandals,expenses scandal,and this issue possibly too.
I will hold my counsel until full investigate processes have actually deemed what are justifiable facts either way before I'll go into the issue.
It sounds bad,however apart from the expenses scandal, few things end up being proven to be as bad as was originally expected.
So I for one unsurprisingly will wait ,while sharing of course dismay at the content IF it were it to be proven fully substantiated,I stress IF.

This will be proven to be as bad as suspected. I saw the list, I was on it for a short period of time (possibly until they realised I was not a Labour party member so it was useless collecting data on me to start with)and I also saw the 'evidence files'. The 'evidence file' on me was pathetic, but it was still there. Not sure if I should report it as harassment to the police as that seems a bit..much. I kind of just laughed it off as a bunch of nutters being stupid, I didn't realise that I could actually report it to the police and since looking into it all I do see they have definitely broken the data protection act, and this has actually been led by a Labour Womens Officer..I made a thread on 'her' a while back. Wish Labour had been sensible at the time and stopped a 19 year old boy from applying for the position in the first place..given it stated in the rules that the womens officer must be a woman. Could have avoided all of this rubbish. The only thing he has done for women since gaining the post, is try to get women kicked out of the party!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This will be proven to be as bad as suspected. I saw the list, I was on it for a short period of time (possibly until they realised I was not a Labour party member so it was useless collecting data on me to start with)and I also saw the 'evidence files'. The 'evidence file' on me was pathetic, but it was still there. Not sure if I should report it as harassment to the police as that seems a bit..much. I kind of just laughed it off as a bunch of nutters being stupid, I didn't realise that I could actually report it to the police and since looking into it all I do see they have definitely broken the data protection act, and this has actually been led by a Labour Womens Officer..I made a thread on 'her' a while back. Wish Labour had been sensible at the time and stopped a 19 year old boy from applying for the position in the first place..given it stated in the rules that the womens officer must be a woman. Could have avoided all of this rubbish. The only thing he has done for women since gaining the post, is try to get women kicked out of the party!

Please make a complaint to the police. Don't let them get away with it. It's so not a bit much. It's a lot much. Making files and dossiers of members of the public who dare to have a conflicting view is plain scary.

Waiting on the day when someone tells me that me being a woman and not a non man is some sort of phobic. It sounds comical doesn't it? It's really not funny.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Please make a complaint to the police. Don't let them get away with it. It's so not a bit much. It's a lot much. Making files and dossiers of members of the public who dare to have a conflicting view is plain scary.

Waiting on the day when someone tells me that me being a woman and not a non man is some sort of phobic. It sounds comical doesn't it? It's really not funny.

I did report it to actionfraud at the time, as apparently thats where online crimes need to be logged. I started getting rape and death threats sent to my private facebook account because I am a 'bigot' and 'transmisogynistic' (made up word) and that ffs. It was horrendous. I did end up ringing the local police station who reckoned they could log it but they cannot actually do anything unless the threats are carried out. Which is ****ing lovely isn't it. They can do something once I am raped and murdered?! Luckily the threats did stop pretty much as soon as they started, but I am still really really edgy incase someone does show up in my life who wants to harm me because I believe biology is relevant. It would not bother me as much if there was just me and Gavin here. But the kids live here too.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I did report it to actionfraud at the time, as apparently thats where online crimes need to be logged. I started getting rape and death threats sent to my private facebook account because I am a 'bigot' and 'transmisogynistic' (made up word) and that ffs. It was horrendous. I did end up ringing the local police station who reckoned they could log it but they cannot actually do anything unless the threats are carried out. Which is ****ing lovely isn't it. They can do something once I am raped and murdered?! Luckily the threats did stop pretty much as soon as they started, but I am still really really edgy incase someone does show up in my life who wants to harm me because I believe biology is relevant. It would not bother me as much if there was just me and Gavin here. But the kids live here too.

I feel really sorry for your plight and yes it's ridiculous that the Police will ONLY act once you're harmed. It's much the same with battered wives it seems as well?!

I agree to earlier comments about not being able to vote as nobody fits in with your views and concerns. At the moment in the UK politics is basically *****ed and it may take ten years before we see new parties emerge that we can actually vote for. In the meantime I am, I confess, a reluctant Labour voter and remainer until something better comes along.