[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Just because someone explains their views doesn't mean other people has to accept them as the truth. People ARE allowed to hold opposing views, you know.

I didn't think Ann was homophobic for the most part of this series, I thought she had no problem with the gays but disagreed with marriage but it's becoming apparent that she does have homophobic tendencies and I don't think you can expect people to accept that and keep quiet. She's allowed her views and so is everyone else. Like she said in the house earlier on in the series, I believe, 'people are entitled to their offense'.

People are allowed to hold opposing views. So what are we all doing here discussing Ann's views? The ones that she's allowed to hold?

Now they've taken the offence they're entitled to, what do they want to do with it? Shane speaking to people individually about Ann, trying to get them to agree with him... what does he... and you... and people arguing his case on here... want them to do with Ann? Do they want her to repent? Do they want her thrown out of the house? Now that everyone is quite clear that they are offended, what now?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

People are allowed to hold opposing views. So what are we all doing here discussing Ann's views? The ones that she's allowed to hold?

Now they've taken the offence they're entitled to, what do they want to do with it? Shane speaking to people individually about Ann, trying to get them to agree with him... what does he... and you... and people arguing his case on here... want them to do with Ann? Do they want her to repent? Do they want her thrown out of the house? Now that everyone is quite clear that they are offended, what now?

Well by the sounds of what he was saying to Wayne and Amanda, he wants them to tackle her views as well

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well by the sounds of what he was saying to Wayne and Amanda, he wants them to tackle her views as well

How are they going to tackle them, though? I don't know what they want from her. Are they going to sit round her and individually bring up everything she's done - or not done - in the past that they don't agree with? Do they want her humiliated? Thrown out? It's dominating the house at the moment and the only one who's not had any direct input in the current grievances is Ann. It's making the Ginuwine/Ashley showmance seem entertaining...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

How are they going to tackle them, though? I don't know what they want from her. Are they going to sit round her and individually bring up everything she's done - or not done - in the past that they don't agree with? Do they want her humiliated? Thrown out? It's dominating the house at the moment and the only one who's not had any direct input in the current grievances is Ann. It's making the Ginuwine/Ashley showmance seem entertaining...

Agreed,plus Ann did tell Shane J at the beginning her thoughts on things,why does he need to keep bringing it up

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well by the sounds of what he was saying to Wayne and Amanda, he wants them to tackle her views as well

that is not his call to make though, how they interact with others is not for him to dictate

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

People are allowed to hold opposing views. So what are we all doing here discussing Ann's views? The ones that she's allowed to hold?

Now they've taken the offence they're entitled to, what do they want to do with it? Shane speaking to people individually about Ann, trying to get them to agree with him... what does he... and you... and people arguing his case on here... want them to do with Ann? Do they want her to repent? Do they want her thrown out of the house? Now that everyone is quite clear that they are offended, what now?

It's not that difficult Livia, She's allowed to hold her view, people are allowed to discuss that view. A person is just as entitled to their offense as they are their opinions.

The problem is that you, like so many people, only care about freedom of speech when it benefits you, Ann is entitled to her opinion but if anyone has a view that opposes that then obviously that's an act of shutting her down, trying to silence her etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and freedom of speech protects no one from others criticising those opinions, someone saying that disagree is not them trying to silence another person's opinion.

I don't get what's so difficult about that to understand.

I don't want nothing to be done to Ann, she is allowed her views and we are allowed to condemn those views. I only care that freedom of speech is preserved and a lot of people defending Ann are trying to shut down people criticising her.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not that difficult Livia, She's allowed to hold her view, people are allowed to discuss that view. A person is just as entitled to their offense as they are their opinions.

The problem is that you, like so many people, only care about freedom of speech when it benefits you, Ann is entitled to her opinion but if anyone has a view that opposes that then obviously that's an act of shutting her down, trying to silence her etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and freedom of speech protects no one from others criticising those opinions, someone saying that disagree is not them trying to silence another person's opinion.

I don't get what's so difficult about that to understand.

But you support someone who berates and isolates someone purely because of their opinion, therefore denying free speech

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marches

But you support someone who berates and isolates someone purely because of their opinion, therefore denying free speech

How is he denying her the right to her opinion? She is free to say what she wants and has done.

This is an example of what I'm saying. you believe Ann can have her views but any opposition is seen as trying to deny her, her opinion. It's bull**** and it's everything you saying that Shane J is guilty of.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

How is he denying her the right to her opinion? She is free to say what she wants and has done.

This is an example of what I'm saying. you believe Ann can have her views but any opposition is seen as trying to deny her, her opinion. It's bull**** and it's everything you saying that Shane J is guilty of.

‘I don’t agree with you so I’ll manipulate the rest of the house to dislike you’

Does that seem healthy for free speech?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marches

‘I don’t agree with you so I’ll manipulate the rest of the house to dislike you’

Does that seem healthy for free speech?

Again, she is still entitled to her opinions. You really need to stop trying to twist this into something it's not.

She is not being silenced, she is allowed her opinions. Her right to freedom of speech is still intact.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not that difficult Livia, She's allowed to hold her view, people are allowed to discuss that view. A person is just as entitled to their offense as they are their opinions.

The problem is that you, like so many people, only care about freedom of speech when it benefits you, Ann is entitled to her opinion but if anyone has a view that opposes that then obviously that's an act of shutting her down, trying to silence her etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and freedom of speech protects no one from others criticising those opinions, someone saying that disagree is not them trying to silence another person's opinion.

I don't get what's so difficult about that to understand.

I don't want nothing to be done to Ann, she is allowed her views and we are allowed to condemn those views. I only care that freedom of speech is preserved and a lot of people defending Ann are trying to shut down people criticising her.

You are so rude sometimes. And you didn't answer my question. But don't bother now... I'm npt interested. Maybe someone else with an opposing view to mine will answer... like an adult.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

You are so rude sometimes. And you didn't answer my question. But don't bother now... I'm npt interested. Maybe someone else with an opposing view to mine will answer... like an adult.

Hmm.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Livia

People are allowed to hold opposing views. So what are we all doing here discussing Ann's views? The ones that she's allowed to hold?

Now they've taken the offence they're entitled to, what do they want to do with it? Shane speaking to people individually about Ann, trying to get them to agree with him... what does he... and you... and people arguing his case on here... want them to do with Ann? Do they want her to repent? Do they want her thrown out of the house? Now that everyone is quite clear that they are offended, what now?

So true

Guess there are 2 options:

1. Move on
2. Not move on