[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm pretty sure the majority of those who believe in life after death only believe it happens for humans

The pope said dogs go to heaven.

Why would only humans get the chance of an afterlife? Why do we always think we are worth more than other animals? It's so depressing. Animals are beautiful and many are man-made but still get treated like they're worthless.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

The pope said dogs go to heaven.

Why would only humans get the chance of an afterlife? Why do we always think we are worth more than other animals? It's so depressing. Animals are beautiful and many are man-made but still get treated like they're worthless.

I don't think any of us are going anywhere so don't ask me

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm pretty sure the majority of those who believe in life after death only believe it happens for humans

I know

[bots]

In order to identify if there is life after death one must first quantify what life is at its most basic components. For example, your hair and finger nails still grow, therefore that's life. Your systems shut down for sure, but organisms and parasites that could have been feeding off you from birth will continue to live, so you are living in them .... and thats before contemplating faith

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In order to identify if there is life after death one must first quantify what life is at its most basic components. For example, your hair and finger nails still grow, therefore that's life. Your systems shut down for sure, but organisms and parasites that could have been feeding off you from birth will continue to live, so you are living in them .... and thats before contemplating faith

They don't keep growing, the skin just gets thinner so they appear to have grown but it's not true.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

They don't keep growing, the skin just gets thinner so they appear to have grown but it's not true.

you obviously haven't been watching the same horror films i have

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you obviously haven't been watching the same horror films i have

Okay.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Funnily enough I was at a funeral today of a great aunt. She was 88 and she was christened and married in the church where the service was. It was my father's church he attended as a boy and it was the church my grandfather was christened in and married in and had his funeral in and my granny. It was also the church my great grandfather attended and probably his father before him perhaps.

I sat there in the small church in the pews my forefathers sat in many many times.

I saw my aunts grandchildren and i saw her face in theirs. The minster talked about her love of animals, the love she got from her farmer father and his father - and the love that my grandfather got from the same man he passed down to my father and to me. She even talked about her great love of Rangers, one that has been passed on now to smallest boy LT and her grandchildren.


The minister talked about life after death in a Christian sense and in days gone by when people died randomly, quickly, suddenly and early I get how the promise of life after death became a great selling point in the spread of Christianity.

But the real life after death is what we pass on to our children in memory and in genes

That is more than enough and is real...

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Funnily enough I was at a funeral today of a great aunt. She was 88 and she was christened and married in the church where the service was. It was my father's church he attended as a boy and it was the church my grandfather was christened in and married in and had his funeral in and my granny. It was also the church my great grandfather attended and probably his father before him perhaps.

I sat there in the small church in the pews my forefathers sat in many many times.

I saw my aunts grandchildren and i saw her face in theirs. The minster talked about her love of animals, the love she got from her farmer father and his father - and the love that my grandfather got from the same man he passed down to my father and to me. She even talked about her great love of Rangers, one that has been passed on now to smallest boy LT and her grandchildren.


The minister talked about life after death in a Christian sense and in days gone by when people died randomly, quickly, suddenly and early I get how the promise of life after death became a great selling point in the spread of Christianity.

But the real life after death is what we pass on to our children in memory and in genes

That is more than enough and is real...

That's kinda beautiful. Sorry for your loss, LT.

[Livia]

We know nothing, really. Humans are only just at the very beginning of fulfilling their potential. After thousands of years of evolving and developing, we've gone from the first powered flight to landing on the moon in fifty years. From fax machines to iPhones in thirty. Who knows how far we will go, war and disaster permitting, or how much we'll come to understand in the future. But no one knows even 0.005% of the what, why and who of existence before death, let alone after death. The Human race is a terrible beauty, too magnificent to be an accident. I believe we're all important to God, or to the Universe, or Allah, or whoever it is you believe is behind this extraordinary world.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

We know nothing, really. Humans are only just at the very beginning of fulfilling their potential. After thousands of years of evolving and developing, we've gone from the first powered flight to landing on the moon in fifty years. From fax machines to iPhones in thirty. Who knows how far we will go, war and disaster permitting, or how much we'll come to understand in the future. But no one knows even 0.005% of the what, why and who of existence before death, let alone after death. The Human race is a terrible beauty, too magnificent to be an accident. I believe we're all important to God, or to the Universe, or Allah, or whoever it is you believe is behind this extraordinary world.

My own personal opinion is that the big bang was created from a giant beings gaseous fart and that we are all micro organisms within a universe of fart. Although we may have evolved and done some amazing things from our point of view, they could be infinitesimally small in the overall scheme of things

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

My own personal opinion is that the big bang was created from a giant beings gaseous fart and that we are all micro organisms within a universe of fart. Although we may have evolved and done some amazing things from our point of view, they could be infinitesimally small in the overall scheme of things

Or they could be colossally large in the scheme of things. This could be it, no purpose... arseholes prospering every day... people starve while some talentless stain spends twenty on a handbag. Or... this may be a brief stop between... something. LT says people forget how long we've not been alive. Who's to say that? We may have lived life after life, we may have been in another place all this time or we may not have existed until we were born. I can't remember being in the womb... I can't remember anything until I was about 2. Because I don't remember doesn't mean I didn't exist.

No one knows. No one. But I believe this isn't it, we do go on.... maybe we even have to account for our actions in this life. Wouldn't that be nice. It makes more sense to me that the suggestion that we are, as I read somewhere, the fourth grade science project of some massive alien child.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

Or they could be colossally large in the scheme of things. This could be it, no purpose... arseholes prospering every day... people starve while some talentless stain spends twenty on a handbag. Or... this may be a brief stop between... something. LT says people forget how long we've not been alive. Who's to say that? We may have lived life after life, we may have been in another place all this time or we may not have existed until we were born. I can't remember being in the womb... I can't remember anything until I was about 2. Because I don't remember doesn't mean I didn't exist.

No one knows. No one. But I believe this isn't it, we do go on.... maybe we even have to account for our actions in this life. Wouldn't that be nice. It makes more sense to me that the suggestion that we are, as I read somewhere, the fourth grade science project of some massive alien child.

its an interesting one. i think I have some memories pre birth, but I couldn't honestly say now if it was genuine or perhaps a dream. How would you know the difference for sure

[Denver]

Yes i actually believe i use to live another life

[Garfie]

I find the thought of death and no longer existing quite terrifying......

I also hate the idea that the end for the majority of us will be painful and unpleasant....

I know it sounds quite dismal and morbid but I think about it a lot, and have done since I was a young child.

I think it scares me that there is nothing after death.

To me there must be some purpose in life, and I have always been drawn to the idea of reincarnation. I think that life is about learning to be the best possible person, and we return to learn lessons from past lives and to put right the wrongs we have committed. I think that during the lives we have, we experience everything possible, good and bad. I believe that only when we have learnt all we need to and led a totally selfless life do we find peace and that it when we are allowed to rest in contentment.

I don't know where these ideas come from, and maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but it kind of makes sense to me- it provides a reason why the life I have experienced has been so difficult and gives me hope that I will have a better experience of life next time.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I find the thought of death and no longer existing quite terrifying......

I also hate the idea that the end for the majority of us will be painful and unpleasant....

I know it sounds quite dismal and morbid but I think about it a lot, and have done since I was a young child.

I think it scares me that there is nothing after death.

To me there must be some purpose in life, and I have always been drawn to the idea of reincarnation. I think that life is about learning to be the best possible person, and we return to learn lessons from past lives and to put right the wrongs we have committed. I think that during the lives we have, we experience everything possible, good and bad. I believe that only when we have learnt all we need to and led a totally selfless life do we find peace and that it when we are allowed to rest in contentment.

I don't know where these ideas come from, and maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but it kind of makes sense to me- it provides a reason why the life I have experienced has been so difficult and gives me hope that I will have a better experience of life next time.

I know I've already said this a few times in the thread already but isn't living life enough of a purpose? Living, pro creating, loving etc

[Christmas Dynasnow]

people dont really ever think just how long they have not been alive for

[Livia]

Neil de Grasse Tyson is a physicist. And that's his educated guess.

I have a cousin who is a particle physicist and a devout Jew.

No. One. Knows.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Livia

Neil de Grasse Tyson is a physicist. And that's his educated guess.

I have a cousin who is a particle physicist and a devout Jew.

No. One. Knows.

You may as well say no one knows if an invisible race of maggots the size of busses are running the earth via mind control

we do know based on solid peer reviewed scientific fact. the same knowledge that we use to fly planes, visit the moon and perform operations. tried tested learning over the years.

Its not a 50:50 split its as near to 100% as we can get at the moment and thankfully, unlike religion we are open to information and learning. we dont stop 2000 years ago when some badly typset book was "written"

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You may as well say no one knows if an invisible race of maggots the size of busses are running the earth via mind control

we do know based on solid peer reviewed scientific fact. the same knowledge that we use to fly planes, visit the moon and perform operations. tried tested learning over the years.

Its not a 50:50 split its as near to 100% as we can get at the moment and thankfully, unlike religion we are open to information and learning. we dont stop 2000 years ago when some badly typset book was "written"

And you are convinced of that. I'm not convinced we've gone far enough to know the secrets of the universe - scientifically or spiritually - considering that, in the whole 4,500,000,000 years it's only in the last 300 or so that's we've advanced far enough not to die from a simple infection.

It's not even really about religion. Plenty of people believe we go on after death who have no faith in a religion.

Anyhoo... We should agree to disagree. And if I see you in the afterlife, it's your round.

[joeysteele]

Reading through this thread,if I didn't believe in it,there are some really compelling things being said here,that would guide me to firmly believe there is.

After all some people born don't get long lives,some never get an opportunity to live.
Life isn't uniform for all.

I could easily believe,moreso after this thread ironically,from some incredible thinking on this matter,there is someone,something picking up the pieces at the end or physical life.

We don't know for sure,that's true but science hasn't real answers either and scientists and medics disagree,often contradicting each other on the issue.
Really strong posts, I feel I have really gained from reading them.
While of course respecting too those views from those who dismiss the possibility.

[bots]

Some things its better not to know the answer. For example if it could be proven 100% one way or another what effect would that have on peoples existing beliefs and behaviour. If Jesus appeared today, would anyone believe him?

Whatever brings contentment for each individual is all that matters.