[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't cobble anything together ,I'm going by what I've read . I know he denied 1 allegation but he said he has gone too far . He's not a serial rapist but it sounds like he's been pestering women .

Nobody is saying he should wear a millstone of shame , why are you defending him so much?. And I didn't say women don't get told off but it's not treated as serious as when a man is accused. And the reason this has come out more publicly is because of the Oxfam scandal .

And you know I'm right as majority of sexual harassment claims are against men, and people forget women sexually harass and overstep the line as well .

No where near as much as men do though

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No where near as much as men do though

ive actually seen some pretty outrageous behaviour from women over the years, it's maybe not done aggressively, but it's there just the same

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ive actually seen some pretty outrageous behaviour from women over the years, it's maybe not done aggressively, but it's there just the same

Yes it happens...what's your point in relation to this or were you just stating the obvious?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No where near as much as men do though

I'm inclined to agree, but just think about something . If a man cried sexual harassment every time a woman touched him without his permission or tried to grab a kiss again without his permission then I think they'd be quite a few allegations .

But men don't complain or if they do it's not treated as sexual harassment. Plus some are embarrassed and just laugh it off .

On a drunken night out women can blame booze for getting frisky with a man who's clearly not interested, a man can't blame booze as he'll still be called a pervert .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm inclined to agree, but just think about something . If a man cried sexual harassment every time a woman touched him without his permission or tried to grab a kiss again without his permission then I think they'd be quite a few allegations .

But men don't complain or if they do it's not treated as sexual harassment. Plus some are embarrassed and just laugh it off .

On a drunken night out women can blame booze for getting frisky with a man who's clearly not interested, a man can't blame booze as he'll still be called a pervert .

In my experiences this happens alot more with men to women

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In my experiences this happens alot more with men to women

But Niamh you're forgetting at one time a man could be flirtatious with a woman and ask her out for a drink, now he'll probably be accused of "sexual harassment" it's the sad truth.

I'm not saying this happens all the time ,but how many women must of had cocky guys try to pursue them for sex and they simply just knock them back and that's the end of it . But today those incidents are brought up by people saying something like "I was sexually harassed back in 1978 etc etc " .

It takes away the seriousness of actual rape victims and proper sexual harassment.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But Niamh you're forgetting at one time a man could be flirtatious with a woman and ask her out for a drink, now he'll probably be accused of "sexual harassment" it's the sad truth.

I'm not saying this happens all the time ,but how many women must of had cocky guys try to pursue them for sex and they simply just knock them back and that's the end of it . But today those incidents are brought up by people saying something like "I was sexually harassed back in 1978 etc etc " .

It takes away the seriousness of actual rape victims and proper sexual harassment.

I've never seen a case yet where someone's taken to court for being flirtatious

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've never seen a case yet where someone's taken to court for being flirtatious

There's loads of historical allegations of "sexual harassment" that only come out the woodwork now .

I didn't say they all get taken to court , but what i'm saying is there's women who will now say years ago they were "sexually harassed" if a guy tried to seduce them , even though they told him NO and that was the end of it .

If the guy continues to pester the woman then fair enough it's sexual harassment . On a night out clubbing both men & women approach eachother for sex .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's loads of historical allegations of "sexual harassment" that only come out the woodwork now .

I didn't say they all get taken to court , but what i'm saying is there's women who will now say years ago they were "sexually harassed" if a guy tried to seduce them , even though they told him NO and that was the end of it .

If the guy continues to pester the woman then fair enough it's sexual harassment . On a night out clubbing both men & women approach eachother for sex .

Depends what you mean by seduce, tbh. Flirting and asking someone out is fine. 'Seducing' by randomly grabbing their tit or telling them you would 'smash their backdoors in' whilst you have them cornered and unable to back away or other such rubbish...not fine.

So much gross behaviour is normalized. It can be a bit of a shock to actually think back over it. Throughout my adult life I have had perverts randomly touching me intimately a LOT of times, and I am pretty average looking too so I dread to think what goodlooking people get.

I would obviously not report stuff such as a guy rubbing his hardon on me 15 years back, but this does not mean I was any less sexually assaulted He could argue that it was a seduction technique too..I guess. And no doubt would, while people make excuses for such behaviour and say its nothing...and that people talking about stuff like this makes 'genuine' victims be taken less seriously, or whatever.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's loads of historical allegations of "sexual harassment" that only come out the woodwork now .

I didn't say they all get taken to court , but what i'm saying is there's women who will now say years ago they were "sexually harassed" if a guy tried to seduce them , even though they told him NO and that was the end of it .

If the guy continues to pester the woman then fair enough it's sexual harassment . On a night out clubbing both men & women approach eachother for sex .

I get what you’re saying.With the Westminster stuff there was apparently a list of MP’s who had supposedly sexually harassed and assaulted people but there was stuff like knee touching and asking a woman out to the cinema by text getting conflated with the more serious assaults.Every man accused of any of it may aswell have been a rapist.

The problem with all this MeToo stuff is weeding out the serious crimes from the bull**** and the real ones from the false.It turned into a real witch hunt with people losing jobs for minor stuff and also an MP committing suicide.

This charity stuff seems like much of it is more serious though like the Hollywood Weinstein scandal.
With this Brendan Cox who knows if he just overstepped the mark a little and was too pushy or actually assaulted women.I suppose the courts will have to determine that.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No where near as much as men do though

You ever been to wales?