[Vicky.]

From the Tory Party there was silence.

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.

On the front pages of the national newspapers there was silence

This too.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.



This too.

Gentleman's agreement so that no one will air all of THEIR dirty laundry, one would imagine.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.



This too.

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:

The line that has been crossed cannot now be redrawn. The anti-Semites – with the help of Corbyn and the other useful idiots within Labour’s ranks – have won. They have reset the moral compass of a nation. In fact, they have snapped it in two.

The articles written in protest over their malign coup have been successfully dismissed as smears. The voices raised against them discounted as political agitation. The facts detailing their racist insurrection recast as ‘fake news’.

Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

No way i’m voting Labour again while these arseholes are in charge.I don’t know what came over me.
Looks like i’m not voting next GE.
Just watching with interest.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

Hang on a minute. You either agree and support the apartheid or you don't. Corbyn does not support it, neither do I. This isn't about the Jews, its about the Zionists...big difference. You can be a Christian Zionist, an atheist Zionist, a Jewish Zionist. To be Zionist doesn't make you a Jew. For instance, everyone here who supports the divide of Israel and Palestine are Zionists. Everyone who doesn't are anti-Zionist.

The screen shot you sent says nothing other than Corbyn makes it clear he doesn't support the apartheid. When so many Jews, including Israeli Jews also don't support this form of Zionism, how does that make Corbyn anti Jewish?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Hang on a minute. You either agree and support the apartheid or you don't. Corbyn does not support it, neither do I. This isn't about the Jews, its about the Zionists...big difference. You can be a Christian Zionist, an atheist Zionist, a Jewish Zionist. To be Zionist doesn't make you a Jew. For instance, everyone here who supports the divide of Israel and Palestine are Zionists. Everyone who doesn't are anti-Zionist.

The screen shot you sent says nothing other than Corbyn makes it clear he doesn't support the apartheid. When so many Jews, including Israeli Jews also don't support this form of Zionism, how does that make Corbyn anti Jewish?

It's not about what he himself says, the problem is with the company he keeps. Of course 'anti-zionist' has always been a nice cover for those who are basically just anti-semitic

[MTVN]

Sorry to keep quoting this article but I do think it nails it:

What the hell is happening to us? How have we managed to fall this far? The ethical framework that surrounds our politics has morphed into a grotesque, sickening parody. Place a hand on a knee – you’re gone. Fiddle expenses – you’re gone. Tweet an inanity about someone’s breasts – you’re gone. Watch pornography – actually deny watching pornography – you’re still gone. But engage with an overtly racist Facebook group – something that would get you sacked from any other workplace in the country – and you can carry on, no questions asked. Potentially all the way to No 10.
...

For how much longer are we meant to suspend disbelief? Corbyn’s ten-year association with Holocaust denier Paul Eisen? ‘I didn’t know,’ he claimed, his office saying he opposed Eisen’s views. His association with anti-Semite Sheikh Raed Salah? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semite Reverend Stephen Sizer? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semites within Palestine Live? ‘I didn’t know.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz59TY7KG3y

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry to keep quoting this article but I do think it nails it:

What the hell is happening to us? How have we managed to fall this far? The ethical framework that surrounds our politics has morphed into a grotesque, sickening parody. Place a hand on a knee – you’re gone. Fiddle expenses – you’re gone. Tweet an inanity about someone’s breasts – you’re gone. Watch pornography – actually deny watching pornography – you’re still gone. But engage with an overtly racist Facebook group – something that would get you sacked from any other workplace in the country – and you can carry on, no questions asked. Potentially all the way to No 10.
...

For how much longer are we meant to suspend disbelief? Corbyn’s ten-year association with Holocaust denier Paul Eisen? ‘I didn’t know,’ he claimed, his office saying he opposed Eisen’s views. His association with anti-Semite Sheikh Raed Salah? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semite Reverend Stephen Sizer? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semites within Palestine Live? ‘I didn’t know.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz59TY7KG3y

Ethics according to Dan Hodges?... lol

fyi Damian Green didn't lose his ministerial position for placing a hand on a knee.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ethics according to Dan Hodges?... lol

fyi Damian Green didn't lose his ministerial position for placing a hand on a knee.

Michael Fallon did

[jet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry to keep quoting this article but I do think it nails it:

What the hell is happening to us? How have we managed to fall this far? The ethical framework that surrounds our politics has morphed into a grotesque, sickening parody. Place a hand on a knee – you’re gone. Fiddle expenses – you’re gone. Tweet an inanity about someone’s breasts – you’re gone. Watch pornography – actually deny watching pornography – you’re still gone. But engage with an overtly racist Facebook group – something that would get you sacked from any other workplace in the country – and you can carry on, no questions asked. Potentially all the way to No 10.
...

For how much longer are we meant to suspend disbelief? Corbyn’s ten-year association with Holocaust denier Paul Eisen? ‘I didn’t know,’ he claimed, his office saying he opposed Eisen’s views. His association with anti-Semite Sheikh Raed Salah? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semite Reverend Stephen Sizer? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semites within Palestine Live? ‘I didn’t know.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz59TY7KG3y

I doubt if many Corbyn supporters even reads these articles or any others for that matter because no matter what is revealed its all dismissed as Propaganda! Lies! - even actual events that occurred, archive documents and words from Corbyn's own mouth.

That article you linked was very interesting and it concludes:

The articles written in protest over their malign coup have been successfully dismissed as smears. The voices raised against them discounted as political agitation. The facts detailing their racist insurrection recast as ‘fake news’. So mark the moment. Bad things are about to happen in this country. And when they do, we had better not say we didn’t know. Or that we had no chance to stop them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Timeline


Labour and antisemitism

The context

Labour has been repeatedly blighted by charges that it has failed to tackle antisemitism in the party since Jeremy Corbyn became leader in 2015. Supporters of Corbyn, who has a long history of supporting Palestinians in their dispute with Israel, fear the issue is being used to undermine his leadership.
29 February 2016

Labour launches an inquiry into allegations of antisemitism and bullying after a fractious election of a youth representative to its ruling body.
10 March 2016

Labour expels far-left activist Gerry Downing, who had spoken of the need to “address the Jewish question”.
15 March 2016

Activist Vicki Kirby is suspended by the party for a second time over making alleged antisemitic tweets. She apparently suggested Adolf Hitler might be a “Zionist God” and that Jews had “big noses”.
22 March 2016

Labour suspends Khadim Hussain, a Labour councillor and former lord mayor of Bradford, after he shared a Facebook post that said “your school education system only tells you about Anne Frank and the 6 million Zionists that were killed by Hitler". He later quit the party.
25 April 2016

Naz Shah, the Labour MP for Bradford West, apologises for writing a series of antisemitic posts on Facebook including arguing for Israel’s population to be ‘transported’ out of the Middle East. She also resigns as PPS to John McDonnell and after sustained pressure is suspended from the party a day later.
27 April 2016

Labour suspends, but does not expel, former London mayor Ken Livingstone, after making offensive comments about Hitler supporting Zionism while defending Shah.
29 June 2016

A two-month inquiry by Shami Chakrabarti, ordered by Corbyn, urges Labour members to avoid abusive language and references to Hitler and Holocaust metaphors. It is criticised as being too soft on the issue and regarded as compromised because Chakrabarti had just accepted a peerage.
2 October 2016

Jackie Walker is removed as vice-chair of Momentum after criticising Holocaust Memorial Day but is allowed to remain on its steering committee. She was earlier suspended by the party for questioning why Holocaust Memorial Day did not recognise other genocides.
15 October 2016

The home affairs select committee accuses Labour of incompetence in dealing with antisemitism and helping to create a safe space for people with “vile attitudes towards Jewish people”.
3 April 2017

Livingstone again avoids expulsion from the party after a disciplinary panel rules he should be suspended for another year over comments about antisemitism, Hitler and Zionism. Britain’s chief rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, accuses Labour of failing the Jewish community by not expelling Livingstone.
16 September 2017

Corbyn backs a party rule change, put forward by the Jewish Labour Movement, that takes tougher line on antisemitic abuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...facebook-group

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry to keep quoting this article but I do think it nails it:

What the hell is happening to us? How have we managed to fall this far? The ethical framework that surrounds our politics has morphed into a grotesque, sickening parody. Place a hand on a knee – you’re gone. Fiddle expenses – you’re gone. Tweet an inanity about someone’s breasts – you’re gone. Watch pornography – actually deny watching pornography – you’re still gone. But engage with an overtly racist Facebook group – something that would get you sacked from any other workplace in the country – and you can carry on, no questions asked. Potentially all the way to No 10.
...

For how much longer are we meant to suspend disbelief? Corbyn’s ten-year association with Holocaust denier Paul Eisen? ‘I didn’t know,’ he claimed, his office saying he opposed Eisen’s views. His association with anti-Semite Sheikh Raed Salah? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semite Reverend Stephen Sizer? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semites within Palestine Live? ‘I didn’t know.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz59TY7KG3y

I think the smoothing the way for Corbyn regardless of all the worrying signals to be disturbing. Is it Labour at any cost these days?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not about what he himself says, the problem is with the company he keeps. Of course 'anti-zionist' has always been a nice cover for those who are basically just anti-semitic

And using 'anti-Jewish' has always been a nice cover for those who are Zionist'.

I am not anti-Jewish in any way or form. You can accuse me all you like but that still doesn't make me anti-Jewish.

[jet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

Yes, its quite astounding how a percentage of otherwise seemingly intelligent, seemingly moral people close their minds, eyes and ears and completely deny ALL evidence and reports of all of Corbyn's many dodgy sympathies and behaviour.
It's a phenomena I've never seen before to this extent and its extremely disturbing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here



The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

BIB, it's like the boy who cried wolf here, if the Tory Papers hadn't have gone for Corbyn over being a "traitor to the country" and "working for the IRA" and hadn't have gone so OTT on Labour with other leaders then alot of the people that you're saying aren't believing the true extent of this probably would've taken the report more seriously.

Personally I actually believe this report to be true, however it is annoying to see the Media keep going for Labour and Corbyn on controversies, but never seem to touch the Tories who must have Skeletons in the closet aswell.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

BIB, it's like the boy who cried wolf here, if the Tory Papers hadn't have gone for Corbyn over being a "traitor to the country" and "working for the IRA" and hadn't have gone so OTT on Labour with other leaders then alot of the people that you're saying aren't believing the true extent of this probably would've taken the report more seriously.

Personally I actually believe this report to be true, however it is annoying to see the Media keep going for Labour and Corbyn on controversies, but never seem to touch the Tories who must have Skeletons in the closet aswell.

We are talking about the leader of the labour party and potentially the PM. That's why it deserves attention. These are not skeletons in the closet, these are documented events that Corbyn has been involved in.