[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...on-immigration

If a country like Australia is having these issues what hope it there for the rest of us. Immigration should always be for the benefit of those already living in a country not to the detriment of them.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Says the woman who believes it was the EU who made us take the refugees!!

The EU are constantly demanding we take more as we are still part of the EU. But I am all for ignoring them as they are a bunch of self-serving idiots refusing to see all the problems it is creating.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And name any one of those countries which are not now ********* up in at LEAST one way BECAUSE of their intake.

Jordan is in an economical doldrums because it lost its Kuwait and UAE donar and now has to fund its own military.
The Labanese economy is looking good, though they still have a lot of internal squabbling going on. (not over immigrants)
Greece is still chained to a rock from its sovereign debt crisis in 2010 but according to economic forecasts, its climbing its way out better than expected.
Italy, like the UK hasn't produced nearly enough growth since the world crash and a second recession in 2012
The U.S is a bit more complicated but this explains things well http://fortune.com/2018/02/16/us-deb...onomic-growth/

Apart from the Germans who have a huge amount of internal squabbling going on over 'immigration or not'. None of these countries are in peril because of the intake of foreigners.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...on-immigration

If a country like Australia is having these issues what hope it there for the rest of us. Immigration should always be for the benefit of those already living in a country not to the detriment of them.

That's an opinion peace. She says herself that the economists love it because it it’s great for the economy. She doesn't like it because she doesn't think Australia has enough space

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Jordan is in an economical doldrums because it lost its Kuwait and UAE donar and now has to fund its own military.
The Labanese economy is looking good, though they still have a lot of internal squabbling going on. (not over immigrants)
Greece is still chained to a rock from its sovereign debt crisis in 2010 but according to economic forecasts, its climbing its way out better than expected.
Italy, like the UK hasn't produced nearly enough growth since the world crash and a second recession in 2012
The U.S is a bit more complicated but this explains things well http://fortune.com/2018/02/16/us-deb...onomic-growth/

Apart from the Germans who have a huge amount of internal squabbling going on over 'immigration or not'. None of these countries are in peril because of the intake of foreigners.

If you really BELIEVE the above Red, then OK, you are entitled to, but me? I'll believe what my eyes and ears have read and listened to.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That's an opinion peace. She says herself that the economists love it because it it’s great for the economy. She doesn't like it because she doesn't think Australia has enough space

I know it’s an opinion piece but no doubt it reflects a common opinion in Australia.

And it isn’t about space per se but about the creating of all the infrastructures required to accommodate masses more people and all the resulting chaos to the daily lives of everyone in the ever increasing busy cities. The whole ethos of the country is going to change and it is a beautiful country as it is.

She also has a very valid point when pointing out that immigration is supposed to be about the benefits to and welfare of the PEOPLE of Australia first and foremost - not just big business. As someone who claims to speak for the people rather than big business that is a rather a contradictory statement. If Australians feel their lives are going to be affected in a negative way from too much immigration, as people in many countries do, they have a right to their say and to be listened to. And the same applies to every country in this situation.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The EU are constantly demanding we take more as we are still part of the EU. But I am all for ignoring them as they are a bunch of self-serving idiots refusing to see all the problems it is creating.

When the EU was established it was still part of the UN and still is. What it fairly did was set out the number of refugees to be accepted by the size of a country's population. Something the UN had done prior to the EU forming.
Since the EU was formed and set out what was deemed by the UN as acceptable rules over asylum and refugees, the UN has taken a back step.

Once we leave the EU the United Nations High Commissioner will ensure that, under UN law Britain will still take its share. That maybe more than the EU quota or may be less but I suspect it will be about the same.

So you can blame the EU all you like but the bottom line is, if we remain in the UN we don't get a choice.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Once we leave the EU the United Nations High Commissioner will ensure that, under UN law Britain will still take its share.

When our infrastructure is already pretty much to capacity, we could say we have more than our share.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It comes back to what I have said for a while, not everyone in the public sector does a good job, sometimes things are missed, human error is also a factor, I'm not sure we should be demonising the people who try to keep us safe over those that wish us harm? We don't really know why this guy was missed, any more than we know why the guy who attacked people on London Bridge was missed given he was on a C4 docu waving his ISIS flag, maybe it comes back to not wanting to be seen as racist who knows

This is not possible... There are procedures, protocol, best practice, a wealth of information, resilience and preparedness and contingency planning for counter terrorism.
Guidelines to follow, CONTEST and Persue, Prevent, Protect,Prepare.

We don't have the keystone cops protecting us, these are professionals if something was missed we do need to be asking why, not just chalk it up to pc plod having 'one of those days'.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Truth about child refugees: Two-thirds quizzed about their age are found to be ADULTS, official report reveals after almost 3,000 people claiming to be unaccompanied minors apply for asylum in a year

• Nearly two-thirds of 'child' refugees were found to be adults new report shows
• In one year, 65 per cent of asylum seekers assessed were judged to be over 18
• Home Office received 2,952 asylum applications from unaccompanied children

Nearly two-thirds of ‘child’ refugees who were questioned about their real age after coming to Britain were found to be adults, an official report has found.

In one year, 65 per cent of asylum seekers assessed after claiming to be juveniles were judged to be over 18.

The report, by immigration watchdog David Bolt, revealed that the Home Office received 2,952 asylum applications from unaccompanied children in the year to June last year.

Out of these there were 705 age disputes – around a quarter of the total – where officials suspected the individual was lying about their age. Of these, 618 cases were resolved and 402 – or 65 per cent – were found to be adults.

If these asylum seekers had been treated as children it would have left councils and local taxpayers facing a care bill of millions of pounds a year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-age-18.html

[Oliver_W]

With cases like the ones pictured, why was the idea that they were children even considered? They should have been laughed at in the face and turned around.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

With cases like the ones pictured, why was the idea that they were children even considered? They should have been laughed at in the face and turned around.

Agreed Oliver,the mind boggles.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

With cases like the ones pictured, why was the idea that they were children even considered? They should have been laughed at in the face and turned around.

That’s where OTT PC gets you. People can’t even challenge adult migrants who pose as children. Everyone knew they were adults but that PC grip had hold and people went to mush.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This is not possible... There are procedures, protocol, best practice, a wealth of information, resilience and preparedness and contingency planning for counter terrorism.
Guidelines to follow, CONTEST and Persue, Prevent, Protect,Prepare.

We don't have the keystone cops protecting us, these are professionals if something was missed we do need to be asking why, not just chalk it up to pc plod having 'one of those days'.

Forgive me for thinking the police force is staffed with humans

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Boy child refugees are not housed with girl child refugees.

In my area of work I had to be trained up on refugee children and for a long time its been said that young adults are clearly slipping through the 'child' net but without definitive proof, there's little we can do because under the 'Child Protection Act' there's a duty of care.

Regardless of age, these young adults have often lost everything. Their home, their entire family and all their worldly possessions. They haven't understood what safety is for a very long time and the boys especially are at great risk of being recruited as soldiers or herded out of their towns by Jihadists and murdered. I've never talked to these boys personally but I'm told by people who have that they are so grateful and look forward to going home at some point in the future.

I'm so glad we could help.

Excuses! They lied knowing exactly what they were doing and I seriously doubt they have any intention of going home.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Forgive me for thinking the police force is staffed with humans

Yes humans that know how to follow procedure with due diligence.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's a completely different scenario to the one you described before? 'Dying to save a kid' is a world away from 'giving your child an organ at the expense of your own life'. You can't switch the goalposts like that to suit your argument.

The vast majority of people would not give their lives for a child that isn't theirs', like I said before, most people are destined to be observers, not heroes.

A person's own child on the other hand is completely different, a sizable amount of parents have the biological need to protect their children at all costs, a lt of parents would sacrifice themselves if it meant their child could live.

Not quite sure what any of this has to do with the thread mind, nor why the discussion has shifted to me.

I totally agree with this. I don't think that I would - MY family need me and THEY will ALWAYS come first.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And there hasnt been a good "try to save face when posters have rather embarrassed themselves by desperately trying to talk about anything other than the fact they were wrong" thread for ages either

And as one on the 'receiving end - BOY were they WRONG.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think what's sad is, these children are raised and supported here in the UK until they are 18. When they are 18 and even on their 18 birthday, all support stops and if their local council hasn't managed to sort out their paperwork, they are arrested as illegal aliens.

And then they are 'bailed' and released and 97% of them disappear into the dark welcoming British night.

[kirklancaster]

Anyway..... I've done my bit, I've just offered accommodation to one 14-year-old Migrant child. Only now awaiting his documentation.

Spoiler:

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Anyway..... I've done my bit, I've just offered accommodation to one 14-year-old Migrant child. Only now awaiting his documentation.

Spoiler:

you had me going there for a minute there Kirk. I was just about to ask about his ‘age’ when I opened the spoiler. No doubt some would say we would still have to take him at his word until proved otherwise.

[jaxie]

Having a fair bit of experience with regard to a family member who is trying to marry someone they love who happens to be another country, I have found our whole immigration system woefully incompetent. The whole system needs a serious shake up and I do believe there must be rules so I'm not just being selfish. Some of the rules and hoops to jump through are completely illogical. If you have any kind of relationship visiting is out because they suspect you, even when you have a bona fide address to stay at. If you are retired and don't have a job, fat chance of going to your daughters wedding even if your trip is all expenses paid by a UK family. It is completely stacked against genuine applications and full of insinuation that you will run off as soon as you get here. That's how we treat people who want to come for a visit and spend tourist money here. Then the other end of the stick you have a bloke of 35 trying to come here in place of a 12 year old and they let him.

[chuff me dizzy]

A blind man could see most of them were adult men, who were then to schools with our children .......they could have been anyone

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Anyway..... I've done my bit, I've just offered accommodation to one 14-year-old Migrant child. Only now awaiting his documentation.

Spoiler:

[Beso]

Handy friends to have if you are an underage drinker......or maybe not as many cases may end up....going wrong.