[Maru]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But people would rather believe such a famous woman with so much control over her public image would deliberately air some rather extreme and offensive view about a minority? Expose herself and her whole brand as transphobic.

I think it's a half truth. She agrees with the sentiment of the tweet before the transphobic insult. But, possibly just like on here, didn't see or intend "man in a dress" to be taken quite the way it has.

Then again the woman's probably had enough. They had the pitchforks out for her when she said Dumbledore wouldn't reference his sexuality in the next FB movie. She must make him all about being gay now.

I think it's fairer to say that some folk aren't begging to jump on a particular bandwagon. I thought as writers, we write about the things we know... to expect all those writers to then include certain minorities and trans-folk in all their stories, is a bit silly... because then the next thing that will be said is "Well, what do you know about X issues/contexts, so how could you write about this authentically?..." It's not a battle any creator of things can win I think.

There is a huge following of LGBT fanfolk who have rewritten or redrawn Harry Potter characters in those different contexts, and I think they do a far better job than the original creator in translating those characters to those romantic contexts... so I think that this is area of fanfolk, to reimagine these role models in those specific contexts... that doesn't dismiss that other writers or creators may create something totally new tomorrow (or even Rowling herself)... but then that again--she may very well be accused for only jumping on the bandwagon to "save herself" or some inauthentic nod.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Maru

I think it's fairer to say that some folk aren't begging to jump on a particular bandwagon. I thought as writers, we write about the things we know... to expect all those writers to then include certain minorities and trans-folk in all their stories, is a bit silly... because then the next thing that will be said is "Well, what do you know about X issues/contexts, so how could you write about this authentically?..." It's not a battle any creator of things can win I think.

There is a huge following of LGBT fanfolk who have rewritten or redrawn Harry Potter characters in those different contexts, and I think they do a far better job than the original creator in translating those characters to those romantic contexts... so I think that this is area of fanfolk, to reimagine these role models in those specific contexts... that doesn't dismiss that other writers or creators may create something totally new tomorrow (or even Rowling herself)... but then that again--she may very well be accused for only jumping on the bandwagon to "save herself" or some inauthentic nod.

Oh no. I mean Dumbledore is gay . They're not asking her to just include a gay character or make one gay. Dumbledore is.

But he doesn't reference it because it's not really relevant.

I'd say that's much more progressive than making a song and dance out of it. We're passed the stage where any and all gay characters must make the story all about being gay, so it makes me think some people are their own worst enemies. They want to be accepted and then at that crucial stage they fear being nothing special and just one of the kind.

My take on it anyway.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh no. I mean Dumbledore is gay . They're not asking her to just include a gay character or make one gay. Dumbledore is.

But he doesn't reference it because it's not really relevant.

I'd say that's much more progressive than making a song and dance out of it. We're passed the stage where any and all gay characters must make the story all about being gay, so it makes me think some people are their own worst enemies. They want to be accepted and then at that crucial stage they fear being nothing special and just one of the kind.

My take on it anyway.

Mine too Marsh - Exactly so.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh no. I mean Dumbledore is gay . They're not asking her to just include a gay character or make one gay. Dumbledore is.

But he doesn't reference it because it's not really relevant.

I'd say that's much more progressive than making a song and dance out of it. We're passed the stage where any and all gay characters must make the story all about being gay, so it makes me think some people are their own worst enemies. They want to be accepted and then at that crucial stage they fear being nothing special and just one of the kind.

My take on it anyway.

Right, but that's what I mean. It's not her bread and butter and so she prefers to keep the story around the main plotline. Though I think some people relate so well with some of the smaller aspects of the story, that they can't really understand why it doesn't get fleshed out in canon...

In Japanese manga/anime, it's the complete opposite. Gay characters are brought into main storylines all the time and they're not afraid to put in a blaringly over the top crossdressing/over the top macho male gay character for comedic relief either. But that could be perceived here as being anti-LGBT as it's considered a "sensitive" area... whereas LGBT characters have been quite prevalent for some time in manga. For example, Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune's storyline in Sailor Moon which was heavily censored here (they're cousins in that version) in the syndicated for TV American version... but left as is in the English manga iirc.

Sailor Neptune and Uranus Come Out of the Fictional Closet
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/sara-...b_5353859.html

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Maru

Right, but that's what I mean. It's not her bread and butter and so she prefers to keep the story around the main plotline. Though I think some people relate so well with some of the smaller aspects of the story, that they can't really understand why it doesn't get fleshed out in canon...

In Japanese manga/anime, it's the complete opposite. Gay characters are brought into main storylines all the time and they're not afraid to put in a blaringly over the top crossdressing/over the top macho male gay character for comedic relief either. But that could be perceived here as being anti-LGBT as it's considered a "sensitive" area... whereas LGBT characters have been quite prevalent for some time in manga. For example, Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune's storyline in Sailor Moon which was heavily censored here (they're cousins in that version) in the syndicated for TV American version... but left as is in the English manga iirc.

Sailor Neptune and Uranus Come Out of the Fictional Closet
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/sara-...b_5353859.html

Well romances are part of the bread and butter of her stories. If she wanted, I don't doubt she could've successfully included one in the story. I don't think gay romances are all that different to straight ones fundamentally.

It just didn't happen and they decided to take it as a slight against them.

Even though him being gay, but it not being a big deal is such a huge thing imo.