[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But there is.

And womens rights activists ARE being attacked for simply attending meetings to speak about the changes and such.

I know you wouldn't want to believe that though.

There are NO women's rights activists who are behaving in deliberately inflamatory and passive aggressive ways? None? Not... not even one? I'm sure you have to see that this claim is utterly ludicrous... it's practically a statistical impossibility. Of course there are thivk, angry people aggressively arguing stupid points. That is true of both sides of every debate there has ever been, so how you can be claiming that there is ZERO inflamatory feminist rhetoric caught up in this one, I really have no idea.

And yes... that's what "crossfire" means isn't it? Reasonable/rational Women's rights activists are being attacked because of boiling over anger; because of being lumped in with the angry, shouty, unreasonable ones. Just as transpeople are becoming increasingly angry about being lumped in with perverts and potential sex offenders. And so on, and so forth...

Its not a misrepresentation. The most womens rights activists have done in this fight is argue their POV, attend meetings and identify as men on fridays to show selfID up for the rubbish it is.

And you don't find that to be petty, or deliberately and needlessly inflammatory?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And you don't find that to be petty, or deliberately and needlessly inflammatory?

Not at all. Do you have any other suggestions? It may some across as petty, but the reasons behind it are sound and it seems the men its affecting agree that its needed and they understand the issues now.

Also this is a result of being ignored for years and years. I was there when they decided to do this (I will not join in with it because...well I am not confident enough and I also have been sexually assaulted way too many times to want to be in a male area tbh) and it was decided (on which I agreed) that the only way that people will be listened to on this topic, is when it starts to affect men. Women are just written off as hysterical bigots, where men are allowed to have an opinion. Some things never change I guess '

Also, swim england have oddly enough now decided that a consultation is actually needed, rather than just deciding that anyone can self identify into either changing room (or women only/men only sessions) and that anyone who objects should be 'reeducated by staff'. Its very good timing, I have to say, that this revision came after women started self identifying as men. I don't think anyone thought women would do it in the way men do.

So I see how it could come across as petty yes. But it has been effective, which was the point. writing en masse got us ignored. Affecting men, got it changed immediately.



Also on the rest of your post, of course I cannot say that no womens rights activists anywhere in the country behave in inappropriate ways. Thats ridiculous. But the women attending the meetings who were attacked, were not doing anything wrong. And were attacked for simply wanting to talk about a change that will affect them in a very negative way. The amount of transactivists who are behaving in this way vastly outnumber the one or two womens rights activists who may possibly be behaving in that way (though none I have seen/know). I did nothing wrong besides talk, and attracted death threats, rape threats, and threats against my children...and I have never ever issued a death threat, rape threat, or threatened anyones kids, obviously.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Just as transpeople are becoming increasingly angry about being lumped in with perverts and potential sex offenders.

Also on this point, its not women who have done this either. Its stonewall who lumped transsexual people in with fetishists and such.

And a hell of a lot of transsexual people are trying to distance themselves from the 'transgender' label.

Also 'old school transsexuals' tend to be against selfID too. As it effectively makes the GRC utterly meaningless if anyone can get one.