[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's awful Annie but unfortunately not at all surprising. I'm baffled that people still come out with the "of she regretted it so cried rape" it just makes no logical sense what so ever

The problem is Niamh women have been found guilty of crying rape.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The problem is Niamh women have been found guilty of crying rape.

Found guilty of crying rape, how many cases of that can you find?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Found guilty of crying rape, how many cases of that can you find?

There will be a good number, there was a very recent one that made the news, text messages proved she agreed to sex.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

There will be a good number, there was a very recent one that made the news, text messages proved she agreed to sex.

Men have been convicted of rape.

I'm not sure what relevance other cases have to this one?

But the text message thing is kind of fishy, I don't see how a text message proves consent? What if someone was to arrange a hook-up for sex on Tindr, then once they're round the flat gets raped? They change their mind or the other person forces them into doing something they're not into?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Men have been convicted of rape.

I'm not sure what relevance other cases have to this one?

But the text message thing is kind of fishy, I don't see how a text message proves consent? What if someone was to arrange a hook-up for sex on Tindr, then once they're round the flat gets raped? They change their mind or the other person forces them into doing something they're not into?

If I remember rightly the text messages she sent to friends after they had sex, with no mention of rape.

All I'm saying is, every case is different, and if a woman says she has been raped that don't make that man a rapist until it's proven

In the same way a woman is not lying about being raped until it's proven that she is.

But at the end of the day it's based on evidence and who the jury believe.

I have a lovely friend who was raped two years ago by two men and was beaten up.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If I remember rightly the text messages she sent to friends after they had sex, with no mention of rape.

All I'm saying is, every case is different, and if a woman says she has been raped that don't make that man a rapist until it's proven

In the same way a woman is not lying about being raped until it's proven that she is.

But at the end of the day it's based on evidence and who the jury believe.

I have a lovely friend who was raped two years ago by two men and was beaten up.

Oh, I quite agree BIB. But I think in this case people aren't just saying so based on her simply saying she was raped, but are interpreting the evidence to draw their conclusions either way. Similar way to the jury are asked to.

If they were saying they believe her, just because it's a simple case of we believe a woman and don't believe a man then I'd agree wholeheartedly.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Spit roasts have been going for years especially footballers and they get treated like gods.
These are not men but animals.

But a woman has to keep her wits about her going home with and a man you just met and to go with more than one man you have only just met is asking for trouble.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The problem is Niamh women have been found guilty of crying rape.

The vicious circle a woman gets trapped in - your responsibility to not put yourself in a position where you could get raped and also you're a liar if you say you are but you don't need safe spaces because not not all men are bad, why are you so paranoid?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Having sat through a rape trial of a close family member, the treatment they get really is what makes rape reports so low. In my case she knew the guy, went back to his willingly and was trying to leave when he raped her. She had slept with him before, was single and a fun loving girl. On this night, she did not want to sleep with him. He forced her. I was called on the night, saw her covered in bruises and in obvious pain down below. Went through the trial (oh and the delightful threats from his friends and family before the trial), the defence brought up her sexual past but the prosecution were unable to bring up he had previous charges against him for similar. He got found not guilty.....no way he didn't do it but not enough evidence as his word against his. This girl has now said she would never recommend anyone reports a rape - it near on destroyed her.
#ibelieveher

Thats awful, but not surprising.

I did not report when I was raped as I knew the guy, and I had also had a drink...literally one drink mind (which I suspect was spiked too) but even a tiny bit of alcohol makes it the womans fault. I knew there would be nothing came of it if I did report, I would just have to relive it over and over (the parts I could remember, which luckily was not very much) and be called a liar and such so **** that. I would also have been told that I had consented, whilst in and out of consciousness, and no doubt that I consented to the multiple injuries I was left with,. as women just like it rough right..rough enough to be left black and blue and in pain for days.

Was talking about this in the admin thread yesterday actually. I don't think I would even report it if it was what people view as a 'real rape'...violent and by a stranger in an alley. It would still be my fault, and no matter how much physical evidence, it would be disregarded as women just lie all the time in order to ruin mens lives of course. Even random men they do not know, coz women are just spiteful. Or I would be doing it for compensation, despite turning down cash offered in order to shush. Its always the womans fault, and when it cannot be blamed on her, then she is just lying

I could not deal with reliving over and over. I could not deal with people deciding that because he was found not guilty, this means I lied. I could not deal with any of it and would rather internalize everything and just try to get past it tbh.

I did not realise until this case either, that videos of your vagina can be shown to the courtroom. Thats yet another reason to not report.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The vicious circle a woman gets trapped in - your responsibility to not put yourself in a position where you could get raped and also you're a liar if you say you are but you don't need safe spaces because not not all men are bad, why are you so paranoid?

Indeed..

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The vicious circle a woman gets trapped in - your responsibility to not put yourself in a position where you could get raped and also you're a liar if you say you are but you don't need safe spaces because not not all men are bad, why are you so paranoid?

Very true

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The vicious circle a woman gets trapped in - your responsibility to not put yourself in a position where you could get raped and also you're a liar if you say you are but you don't need safe spaces because not not all men are bad, why are you so paranoid?

I'm not at all paranoid, a woman being raped is disgusting!
A woman crying rape after happily consenting is disgusting!

I don't seek to make women look bad and to make men look good.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I don't seek to make women look bad and to make men look good.

And from that, I don't think anybody looks good that are involved in these types of cases. That's probably the only real deterrent. Hey, don't want your face on a mug shot?... don't act stupid and do things that will get you falsely reported.

If women are supposed to be mindful of putting themselves in situations that can lead to problems, then men must have the same standard applied to them as well.

That's part of the case that folk make for higher standards in our society... yes, binge drinking culture is generally bad for this. It creates cover for disgusting (and criminal) behavior, and no, because that person acted a fool while drunk doesn't dissolve them of all responsibility of their actions during those times... would be no different if it were any other crime, man or woman. If a person ran someone over or failed to operate their vehicle properly and wrecked their vehicle drunk, they can still be charged... but if two people get drunk and act stupid and something happens as a result of this that leads to a criminal case, that complicates things quite a bit... it's a bit of a grey area, because while both can be considered intoxicated, for some folk, consent to them individually is when you decide to go alone to a location (while not drunk) with someone and then getting drunk. That would be like, whatever happens from here would be the point of it. That does happen.

We can have a law that says two folk can't get drunk and have sex, but then that's overreaching because for some, that is the point, going out to get drunk and have one night stands... so that's where this is really difficult in the courts, because in some cases, all the facts are fuzzy. Yes, there's evidence they had sex and it was forceful, but when we have two people who can barely remember what actually transpired, it's hard to know the truth and maybe it's questionable if their "testimony" is even trustworthy...

Personally, I don't get drunk around people I don't know, in the rare case I do. I make sure I have a "caretaker" (usually my husband, but in the past it's been my boyfriends). I don't like the idea of being out of control, but because I know other people do it and that's what they enjoy... it's hard for me to sit back here and judge those people accordingly. However, that is what is happening... we are judging both the woman and the man for acting out of character... and the case when tried by social media/social justice I guess is to paint character assassinations in that direction, and not really an attempt to get to the real truth...? I guess is the argument for more reason.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I'm not at all paranoid, a woman being raped is disgusting!
A woman crying rape after happily consenting is disgusting!

I don't seek to make women look bad and to make men look good.

I wasn't calling you paranoid, it was a contradictory set of things said to women.

[bots]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The problem is Niamh women have been found guilty of crying rape.

the problem is that many women have been raped and said nothing for fear of not being believed

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the problem is that many women have been raped and said nothing for fear of not being believed

That's also true