[thesheriff443]

Do members know about the good2go ap for consenting to sex?

Should this ap get world wide coverage and send out a message to men and woman that this ap is just as important as using a condom when having sex with some you have just met.

What do you lot think?

[Marsh.]

Stupid idea that is 5 years old anyway and didn't really catch on.

What's next? Signing a contract as part of foreplay?

What if one of them changes their mind after using the app? What if he proceeds to hurt her and refuse to stop?

Apps don't work when it comes to oversimplifying life.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Stupid idea that is 5 years old anyway and didn't really catch on.

What's next? Signing a contract as part of foreplay?

What if one of them changes their mind after using the app? What if he proceeds to hurt her and refuse to stop?

Apps don't work when it comes to oversimplifying life.

It sets out the rules of consent in the ap, Something need to be done to give both men and women protection.

Before everyone shoots me down in flames! Does any one else have any ideas.

[thesheriff443]

Should professional sports men that are found to of had spit roast sex be heavily fined or sacked because they should have a moral duty to up hold.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It sets out the rules of consent in the ap, Something need to be done to give both men and women protection.

Before everyone shoots me down in flames! Does any one else have any ideas.

But... It doesn't.

Rape can happen after "consent" and no silly "agreement" beforehand changes that.

How do they prove the agreement was broken anymore than they prove they said no?

It doesn't work in the slightest.

[Vicky.]

Paddys lawyer is threatening to sue anyone who tweets '#Ibelieveher'

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-36760750.html

Mr Jackson's lawyers said they were "monitoring everything", including social media commentary, WhatsApp, Google searches and the protests that have taken place in Belfast, Londonderry and across Ireland;
People using the "IBelieveHer" hashtag were warned it was defamatory, meaning every one of the thousands who have shared it on Twitter is at risk of being sued;
Belfast solicitor Kevin Winters said they were "setting down a marker" and would not hesitate to issue proceedings;
Sources close to the legal teams said they were monitoring online content at all times;
It emerged a juror had posted an online comment on the verdict, and could face arrest and contempt of court proceedings.

How on earth are they monitoring whatsapp, its private and encrypted

Can't find the jurors comment

Anyway, in response, over 4000 peeople have tweeted #SueMePaddy

https://twitter.com/hashtag/SueMePaddy?src=hash

What an idiot, they must know that this will inflame things further and a threat of being sued is just not going to make people shut up about something they feel passionately about anyway.

(Yes, I have tweeted both hashtags)

[Vicky.]

Sorry 16k tweets with the suemepaddy hashtag. Was 4k last i checked

[user104658]

This is a mess and if things like this keep happening, it's going to lead to justifications for massive crackdowns on freedom of speech, social networking, and the free and open Internet in general. It's mob rule, not justice.

[Vicky.]

It is completely usual for people to comment on high profile cases, and to speculate/discuss even after the outcome, not sure why this should be different in rape cases. I followed this case fairly closely and in all honesty, I do believe her, else I would not have tweeted that. I think they were very lucky to get off with it, and tbh Paddys behaviour since the verdict has been utterly disgraceful and I cannot feel sorry for him at all. Notice the rest of them are not getting grief (besides the Ibelieveher stuff, if that counts as grief rather than support for the 'alleged' victim) and...to use a popular rape myth thats actually right in this case.. his behaviour and the behaviour of his legal team has brought this on himself. Also given he did not explicitly loudly say no, or scream, clearly he is enjoying this. Thats how is goes, right?

The whatsapp chat alone kind of shows that they were aware that she was distressed. They even said this, whilst joking about how much of a mess she was in ffs.

[Tom4784]

If he tried to sue people for posting a hashtag it would likely get thrown out of court.

I don't think a spoiled misogynist throwing his toys out of the pram will lead to the destruction of freedom of speech and a free internet.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If he tried to sue people for posting a hashtag it would likely get thrown out of court.

I don't think a spoiled misogynist throwing his toys out of the pram will lead to the destruction of freedom of speech and a free internet.

I think it would go very very wrong for him. I may be understanding things wrongly but as far as I know, there is a lower burden of proof for civil cases. So if by some miracle his case was heard, he would have to prove that the tweet was false and basically go through the case again but with a lower burden of proof.

Funny how the victim was accused of being after cash (despite turning down cash for dropping the case...) and the first thing this dickhead does is start threatening to sue all over the place. He is welcome to sue me if he wants to, I have like minus 4 quid in the bank and maybe 20k worth of debt he can take half of

[Vicky.]

Also look at the behaviour of the general public during the trial man...****ing ridiculous.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36761337.html

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is a mess and if things like this keep happening, it's going to lead to justifications for massive crackdowns on freedom of speech, social networking, and the free and open Internet in general. It's mob rule, not justice.

Throughout history there have been protestations this is just one... what do you suggest those who feel this is tantamount to injustice do sit down and shut the feck up?
Is that what kept Worboys inside?

I don't understand your passive 'all hail the establishment' conformism.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't understand your passive 'all hail the establishment' conformism.

I'm hardly a conformist I just find the idea of twitter / Facebook based mob justice absolutely terrifying. Like outsourcing trial outcomes to a poll in The Sun. In fact, is there anything MORE conformist than a hashtag bandwagon? Maybe that thing where everyone changes their Facebook profile picture to the same thing or pattern to show everyone how politically engaged they are. Urgh.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm hardly a conformist I just find the idea of twitter / Facebook based mob justice absolutely terrifying. Like outsourcing trial outcomes to a poll in The Sun. In fact, is there anything MORE conformist than a hashtag bandwagon? Maybe that thing where everyone changes their Facebook profile picture to the same thing or pattern to show everyone how politically engaged they are. Urgh.

Yeah, the actual sheep calling others followers.

Most people using the hashtag won't have even read up on any details.

[Vicky.]

Excuse me, I have followed this trial the whole way through. Niamh brought it to my attention in the early stages

And I have not seen anyone call anyone else a follower either. I have not read through all the tweets obviously as there are so many of them, but those I did read, it was pretty clear that they DID know about the case. The ones posting 'Ibelieveher' and nothing else..or totally irrelevant nonsense, I suspect may have been doing it for followers in most cases, as is the case with most trending hashtags.

Again though, I do not understand why everyone is supposed to just shut up when its a rape trial once a verdict is reached, when its fine to talk about other publicized cases

[Marsh.]

I wasn't talking about you.

I said most of the sheep on social media.

You see it all the time. Something starts trending so they follow and put the filter on their profile picture or retweet something and they haven't the foggiest about the story behind it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Excuse me, I have followed this trial the whole way through. Niamh brought it to my attention in the early stages

And I have not seen anyone call anyone else a follower either. I have not read through all the tweets obviously as there are so many of them, but those I did read, it was pretty clear that they DID know about the case. The ones posting 'Ibelieveher' and nothing else..or totally irrelevant nonsense, I suspect may have been doing it for followers in most cases, as is the case with most trending hashtags.

Again though, I do not understand why everyone is supposed to just shut up when its a rape trial once a verdict is reached, when its fine to talk about other publicized cases

It's not that people are supposed to shut up, or "supposed" to do anything really, I'd just rather see considered dialogue than spammed twitter crap.

For example... I don't buy the official line on the McCann case at all and I don't have any issue seeing it discussed. But I'm not on Twitter spamming "HASHTAG IT WUZ GERRY!"

It grumbles my goose. Because its for thick people. Basically.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not that people are supposed to shut up, or "supposed" to do anything really, I'd just rather see considered dialogue than spammed twitter crap.

For example... I don't buy the official line on the McCann case at all and I don't have any issue seeing it discussed. But I'm not on Twitter spamming "HASHTAG IT WUZ GERRY!"

It grumbles my goose. Because its for thick people. Basically.

If all it is is spammed twitter crap then how will that equate to a crackdown on freedom of speech, social networking and the internet in general as an outcome?

Why would the govt care if some doofi posted a hashtag...or changed their profile picture for a day. it's hardly highly organised civil disobedience is it?

[Vicky.]

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/b...thern-14477973

****ing hell, thought our 6% conviction rate was bad

If we use the PSNI’s own 2016/17 figures , it would suggest rape reports now have a 1.8% chance of resulting in a guilty verdict – when, if Home Office calculations are to be believed, 96% of victims are telling the truth.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/b...thern-14477973

****ing hell, thought our 6% conviction rate was bad

1.8%.... Holy feck! That's shocking, makes you wonder why women bother reporting attacks at all

[thesheriff443]

A new rape alarm needs to be made that can be activated while the rape/sexual assault is happening, gps tracking once activated it records sound with dedicated officers assigned to go to the scene.

Because unless the woman gets beat to pulp, the figures of conviction rates speak for them selves.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/b...thern-14477973

****ing hell, thought our 6% conviction rate was bad

May as well be legal ****ing hell

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

May as well be legal ****ing hell

Pretty much is really, especially if you can make sure your victim has even just a drop of alcohol beforehand, or pick them well...if she is not a virgin, there is a good chance you dragging her sexual history up in court will get you off. its pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

[user104658]

I actually think the "silent rape alarm" is a brilliant idea? It's been kind of proven that personal attack alarms aren't all that effective, but something along the same lines that could be pulled that immediately starts recording audio (and preferably uploads it to a secure remote location).

Would go a long way to proving lack of consent in court, surely?