[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

I think it's actually quite a brave thing to do

maybe it would be braver to accept you have a problem and get professional help?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

maybe it would be braver to accept you have a problem and get professional help?

With all due respect LT, a lot of people who end up committing suicide have admitted they have a problem and have gotten professional help

[Cherry Christmas]

I don't think it is black and white, I think if the person takes their life and outwardly there were no signs and they leave no note it leaves the family behind with questions that will never be answered and also at a loss as to why they couldn't help' so in some ways it can be unintentionally selfish as the person is so wrapped up in their own depression they can't take account of anyone else's feelings, just imagine if your brother, sister, mother, daughter took their life and you had no idea why? I don't know how I would cope with that

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think it is black and white, I think if the person takes their life and outwardly there were no signs and they leave no note it leaves the family behind with questions that will never be answered and also at a loss as to why they couldn't help' so in some ways it can be unintentionally selfish as the person is so wrapped up in their own depression they can't take account of anyone else's feelings, just imagine if your brother, sister, mother, daughter took their life and you had no idea why? I don't know how I would cope with that

That was one thing I was really glad about after my friend died, that she'd left me a note trying to help me understand what was going on in her head and to say goodbye.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That was one thing I was really glad about after my friend died, that she'd left me a note trying to help me understand what was going on in her head and to say goodbye.

So sad for you but a note at least is closure of sorts.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So sad for you but a note at least is closure of sorts.

Yeah, I mean I know we all have down times where we feel sad and low for no real reason but with most people they know they'll snap out of it the next day or after a nights sleep or whatever. I just try to imagine feeling like that but not knowing if you'll ever snap out of it again. It must be truly horrendous

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Crude Suicide Rate by Country 2018

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Country Crude Suicide Rate Rank
Sri Lanka 35.3 suicides per 100k 1
Lithuania 32.7 suicides per 100k 2
Guyana 29 suicides per 100k 3
Mongolia 28.3 suicides per 100k 5
South Korea 28.3 suicides per 100k 4
Kazakhstan 27.5 suicides per 100k 6
Suriname 26.6 suicides per 100k 7
Belarus 22.8 suicides per 100k 8
Equatorial Guinea 22.6 suicides per 100k 9
Poland 22.3 suicides per 100k 10
Latvia 21.7 suicides per 100k 11
Hungary 21.6 suicides per 100k 12
Slovenia 21.4 suicides per 100k 13
Belgium 20.5 suicides per 100k 15
Angola 20.5 suicides per 100k 14
Ukraine 20.1 suicides per 100k 17
Russia 20.1 suicides per 100k 16
Japan 19.7 suicides per 100k 18
Estonia 18.9 suicides per 100k 19
Bolivia 18.7 suicides per 100k 20
Croatia 17.5 suicides per 100k 21
Central African Republic 17.4 suicides per 100k 22
Serbia 17 suicides per 100k 24
Uruguay 17 suicides per 100k 23
France 16.9 suicides per 100k 25
Austria 16.4 suicides per 100k 26
Finland 16.3 suicides per 100k 27
Thailand 16 suicides per 100k 28
Bulgaria 15.9 suicides per 100k 29
India 15.7 suicides per 100k 30
Sweden 15.4 suicides per 100k 32
Sierra Leone 15.4 suicides per 100k 31
Switzerland 15.1 suicides per 100k 33
Moldova 14.8 suicides per 100k 34
Swaziland 14.7 suicides per 100k 35
Trinidad And Tobago 14.6 suicides per 100k 36
United States 14.3 suicides per 100k 38
Kiribati 14.3 suicides per 100k 37
Argentina 14.2 suicides per 100k 39
Cuba 14.1 suicides per 100k 40
Portugal 13.7 suicides per 100k 41
Germany 13.4 suicides per 100k 42
Iceland 13.1 suicides per 100k 43
New Zealand 12.6 suicides per 100k 44
Slovakia 12.5 suicides per 100k 45
Denmark 12.3 suicides per 100k 48
Laos 12.3 suicides per 100k 47
Canada 12.3 suicides per 100k 46
Netherlands 11.9 suicides per 100k 51
Cameroon 11.9 suicides per 100k 50
Cambodia 11.9 suicides per 100k 49
Australia 11.8 suicides per 100k 52
Romania 11.7 suicides per 100k 55
Ireland 11.7 suicides per 100k 54
Bhutan 11.7 suicides per 100k 53
Haiti 11.2 suicides per 100k 56
Luxembourg 11.1 suicides per 100k 58
El Salvador 11.1 suicides per 100k 57
Montenegro 11 suicides per 100k 59
Norway 10.9 suicides per 100k 61
Gabon 10.9 suicides per 100k 60
South Africa 10.7 suicides per 100k 62
Zimbabwe 10.5 suicides per 100k 63
Lesotho 10.4 suicides per 100k 64
Papua New Guinea 10.3 suicides per 100k 66
Paraguay 10.3 suicides per 100k 65
Sudan 10.2 suicides per 100k 67
China 10 suicides per 100k 69
Turkmenistan 10 suicides per 100k 68
Chile 9.9 suicides per 100k 72
Nigeria 9.9 suicides per 100k 71
Singapore 9.9 suicides per 100k 70
Dr Congo 9.8 suicides per 100k 73
Botswana 9.7 suicides per 100k 74
Republic Of The Congo 9.6 suicides per 100k 75
Nicaragua 9.5 suicides per 100k 77
Togo 9.5 suicides per 100k 76
Benin 9.4 suicides per 100k 78
Mauritius 9.3 suicides per 100k 81
Seychelles 9.3 suicides per 100k 80
Uzbekistan 9.3 suicides per 100k 79
Burkina Faso 9.2 suicides per 100k 82
Chad 8.8 suicides per 100k 83
Turkey 8.7 suicides per 100k 84
Djibouti 8.6 suicides per 100k 86
Maldives 8.6 suicides per 100k 85
Spain 8.5 suicides per 100k 90
Rwanda 8.5 suicides per 100k 89
Cape Verde 8.5 suicides per 100k 88
Fiji 8.5 suicides per 100k 87
Mozambique 8.4 suicides per 100k 92
Ethiopia 8.4 suicides per 100k 91
Yemen 8.2 suicides per 100k 93
Burundi 8 suicides per 100k 94
Italy 7.9 suicides per 100k 96
Solomon Islands 7.9 suicides per 100k 95
Costa Rica 7.7 suicides per 100k 99
Namibia 7.7 suicides per 100k 98
Guinea 7.7 suicides per 100k 97
Ecuador 7.5 suicides per 100k 100
Kyrgyzstan 7.4 suicides per 100k 103
Comoros 7.4 suicides per 100k 102
Vietnam 7.4 suicides per 100k 101
Belize 7.3 suicides per 100k 104
Uganda 7.2 suicides per 100k 105
Timor Leste 7.1 suicides per 100k 106
Tanzania 7 suicides per 100k 107
Ghana 6.9 suicides per 100k 108
Dominican Republic 6.8 suicides per 100k 110
Saint Lucia 6.8 suicides per 100k 109
Georgia 6.7 suicides per 100k 112
Eritrea 6.7 suicides per 100k 111
Kenya 6.5 suicides per 100k 114
Bahrain 6.5 suicides per 100k 113
Qatar 6.4 suicides per 100k 117
South Sudan 6.4 suicides per 100k 116
Zambia 6.4 suicides per 100k 115
Brazil 6.3 suicides per 100k 120
Guinea Bissau 6.3 suicides per 100k 119
Liberia 6.3 suicides per 100k 118
Gambia 6.2 suicides per 100k 121
Colombia 6.1 suicides per 100k 123
Senegal 6.1 suicides per 100k 122
Bosnia And Herzegovina 6 suicides per 100k 126
Nepal 6 suicides per 100k 125
Malta 6 suicides per 100k 124
Mauritania 5.9 suicides per 100k 127
Vanuatu 5.8 suicides per 100k 130
Malaysia 5.8 suicides per 100k 129
Peru 5.8 suicides per 100k 128
Mali 5.7 suicides per 100k 132
Samoa 5.7 suicides per 100k 131
Oman 5.6 suicides per 100k 133
Israel 5.5 suicides per 100k 140
Afghanistan 5.5 suicides per 100k 139
Libya 5.5 suicides per 100k 138
Bangladesh 5.5 suicides per 100k 137
Malawi 5.5 suicides per 100k 136
Panama 5.5 suicides per 100k 135
Tunisia 5.5 suicides per 100k 134
Armenia 5.4 suicides per 100k 142
Somalia 5.4 suicides per 100k 141
Mexico 5 suicides per 100k 143
Morocco 4.8 suicides per 100k 144
Cyprus 4.7 suicides per 100k 146
Madagascar 4.7 suicides per 100k 145
Myanmar 4.3 suicides per 100k 149
Albania 4.3 suicides per 100k 148
Greece 4.3 suicides per 100k 147
Niger 4.1 suicides per 100k 150
Kuwait 4 suicides per 100k 152
Tajikistan 4 suicides per 100k 151
Iran 3.6 suicides per 100k 154
Honduras 3.6 suicides per 100k 153
Tonga 3.5 suicides per 100k 155
Saudi Arabia 3.4 suicides per 100k 157
Philippines 3.4 suicides per 100k 156
Azerbaijan 3.3 suicides per 100k 158
Jordan 3.2 suicides per 100k 159
Algeria 3.1 suicides per 100k 161
Lebanon 3.1 suicides per 100k 160
Iraq 3 suicides per 100k 163
Venezuela 3 suicides per 100k 162
Indonesia 2.9 suicides per 100k 165
United Arab Emirates 2.9 suicides per 100k 164
Saint Vincent And The Grenadines 2.7 suicides per 100k 167
Syria 2.7 suicides per 100k 166
Egypt 2.6 suicides per 100k 168
Guatemala 2.5 suicides per 100k 169
Pakistan 2.1 suicides per 100k 170
Sao Tome And Principe 2 suicides per 100k 171
Bahamas 1.8 suicides per 100k 172
Jamaica 1.4 suicides per 100k 173
Brunei 1.3 suicides per 100k 174
Grenada 0.5 suicides per 100k 175
Barbados 0.4 suicides per 100k 176
Antigua And Barbuda 0 suicides per 100

http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...te-by-country/

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With all due respect LT, a lot of people who end up committing suicide have admitted they have a problem and have gotten professional help

really, how do you know that?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

really, how do you know that?

Well I was aware that my best friend was suffering from depression and was getting professional help before she died, I was also at a funeral very recently of a man I know who committed suicide and his close family and friends were all aware he suffered with depression and he was getting professional help.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well I was aware that my best friend was suffering from depression and was getting professional help before she died, I was also at a funeral very recently of a man I know who committed suicide and his close family and friends were all aware he suffered with depression and he was getting professional help.

She professional help
is not enough, on its own for some folks,
Valid Points
Fine Lady.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by arista

She professional help
is not enough on its own for some folks
Valid Points
Fine Lady.

No it isn't, I do often wonder if she'd waited a bit longer because she was so young would things have gotten better for her but maybe not I don't know. 18 is so young, my own daughter just turned 18 last Monday

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No it isn't, I do often wonder if she'd waited a bit longer because she was so young would things have gotten better for her but maybe not I don't know. 18 is so young, my own daughter just turned 18 last Monday

Yes I agree very Sad loss.
So Young.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well I was aware that my best friend was suffering from depression and was getting professional help before she died, I was also at a funeral very recently of a man I know who committed suicide and his close family and friends were all aware he suffered with depression and he was getting professional help.

maybe the fact that 3x more men kill themselves explains that women are more likely to seek help/talk than men?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

maybe the fact that 3x more men kill themselves explains that women are more likely to seek help/talk than men?

Well I just gave you an example of both a man and a woman there who both seeked help. My friend also said there was alot of men in her group.

I read somewhere though that (or maybe Vicky told me this statistic) that its not that men are more inclined to suffer from depression than women or more inclined to attempt suicide but that they are more inclined to use more violent and therefore successful methods

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well I just gave you an example of both a man and a woman there who both seeked help. My friend also said there was alot of men in her group.

I read somewhere though that (or maybe Vicky told me this statistic) that its not that men are more inclined to suffer from depression than women or more inclined to attempt suicide but that they are more inclined to use more violent and therefore successful methods

Yes but anecdotal evidence is just that, I wonder if there have been any studies done?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With all due respect LT, a lot of people who end up committing suicide have admitted they have a problem and have gotten professional help

Yes One Lady , I knew
was in Love with a Married Man
his Wife stopped her Solid

She sadly was so in love with him
and because she was stopped from seeing him,
she killed herself
Tragic.