[bots]

my cousin was over 6ft tall and she used to arm wrestle with men down the pub. Women come in all shapes and sizes, just like men do

[Crimson Dynamo]

Currently the English FA do allow male sex trangender women to play against women but Id imagine this will now change

[bots]

contracts etc will be allowed to expire so i wouldn't expect immediate changes

[Livia]

Trans women banned by the FA from the women's game from 1st May. Finally, common sense prevails.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Trans women banned by the FA from the women's game from 1st May. Finally, common sense prevails.

On SkyNewsHD they said it comes in on June 1st


It's on their ticker


They are only following the Judge.

So it had to be done

[Niamh.]

This is a good article

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...A8rxPFvTVH6JhA

Stonewall’s policy of ‘no debate’ on trans rights was a mistake
The LGBTQ+ rights charity’s former head Ben Summerskill and the parent of a trans-identifying young person respond to coverage of the recent supreme court ruling

Both Gaby Hinsliff, in her typically thoughtful piece (If Britain is now resetting the clock on trans rights, where will that leave us?, 18 April), and your correspondent who says “All sensible, two-way discussion of this topic has been prevented” (Letters, 22 April) highlight the risks that both trans people and many other individuals and organisations face from continuing uncertainty over an important area of public policy.

Sadly, a significant contribution to the prevention of sensible, two-way discussion of this sensitive issue was Stonewall’s 2015 decision to adopt an approach of “no debate” – online, on public platforms and in the broadcast media. This has now had huge reputational and financial consequences for the charity, where dozens of staff have since faced redundancy.

A core message for charities and all advocates for social justice from this regrettable situation might be that campaigning by diktat rather than persuasion is very rarely successful. Winning folk over to your position while recognising and addressing their anxieties, while very hard work, is usually a better way of securing legislative and social progress that can be embedded and lasts. If you decline even to enter a debate, you rarely win it.
Ben Summerskill
Chief executive, Stonewall, 2003-14

I am the parent of a trans-identified young person who has nuanced views of the debate on sex and gender (Editorial, 23 April). The reason the supreme court ruling feels like such a threat to the trans community is because for the last decade activists have misled them about the existing law, staked everything on the complete erasure of sex as a meaningful category in society, and framed any dissent as bigotry, transphobia or worse.

It has been catastrophic for a generation of trans-identified youth to have been misled into thinking that their wellbeing is dependent on everyone in society colluding in a pretence that biological sex can simply be overridden by gender identity, irrespective of context. The consequences are all too apparent in the distressed response to what is a compassionate legal ruling that balances the rights of trans people (under the protected characteristic of gender reassignment) while identifying the specific contexts where sex will be relevant too.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This is a good article

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...A8rxPFvTVH6JhA

Stonewall’s policy of ‘no debate’ on trans rights was a mistake

That's what I've been saying for years and one of the most frustrating parts of the whole debate - so often met with people saying "but there's not evidence that..." when there has been a clear, hard-line and often very aggressive long campaign to stop any research or study being done that would yield evidence either way.

I've even always said my stance on the whole thing could change IF anyone could provide robust evidence for why decisions were being made that seemed accurate and reasonable ... but it's impossible to get to the truth when you have people attacking anyone who dares to look for it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

That's what I've been saying for years and one of the most frustrating parts of the whole debate - so often met with people saying "but there's not evidence that..." when there has been a clear, hard-line and often very aggressive long campaign to stop any research or study being done that would yield evidence either way.

I've even always said my stance on the whole thing could change IF anyone could provide robust evidence for why decisions were being made that seemed accurate and reasonable ... but it's impossible to get to the truth when you have people attacking anyone who dares to look for it.

Yep. It seems like a lot of common sense was ignored and peoples concerns were dismissed as "phobic" It isn't a good strategy to just shut people down by trying to shame or threaten them, that will only work for so long before people say no

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep. It seems like a lot of common sense was ignored and peoples concerns were dismissed as "phobic" It isn't a good strategy to just shut people down by trying to shame or threaten them, that will only work for so long before people say no

Yes plus a culture of "any request for compromise = bad and the enemy" and the inevitable outcome of that was not a successful forcing of no compromise... it was an increasing tendency for people to not bother trying to find one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Yes plus a culture of "any request for compromise = bad and the enemy" and the inevitable outcome of that was not a successful forcing of no compromise... it was an increasing tendency for people to not bother trying to find one.

Not to mention the gas-lighting which there was A LOT of

[arista]

In todays Daily Telegraph.


[Shops and leisure centres can question
transgender people about their
biological sex before letting them
use changing rooms, the equalities
watchdog has said.
Those who appear to be lying can legally
be refused entry as long as they are not
asked in a rude or offensive manner,
according to updated guidance from
the Equality and
Human Rights Commission (EHRC).

Gyms and hospitals could legally ask
people to provide birth certificates
or passports to prove their biological sex.

The watchdog said trans people could
legally be shut out of anywhere where
women were likely to be in a state of undress.

Last month a Cabinet minister insisted
there would be no “toilet police”
stopping trans women from using
women’s lavatories.

Pat McFadden, the Cabinet Office minister,
said the “logical consequence”
of the Supreme Court ruling was that
everyone should use the facilities
of their biological gender.]


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...hanging-rooms/

[Kate!]

Good

[Cherie]

It is the law Arista

[Livia]

What's the problem?

[Glenn.]

Can’t wait for trans men to cause a stir in the their ‘biological’ toilet.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Can’t wait for trans men to cause a stir in the their ‘biological’ toilet.

So long as they don't have a cock I'd be fine with them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

So long as they don't have a cock I'd be fine with them.

They are more than welcome, don't hear much from trans men at any rate, its all about the transwomen...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Can’t wait for trans men to cause a stir in the their ‘biological’ toilet.

You mean a woman in a womans toilet.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

You mean a woman in a womans toilet.

But with beards

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

But with beards

At least they will feel more comfortable doing a sit down pee, and a little less embarrassed.

[Liam-]

Even more butch lesbians being harassed by workers for not being feminine enough for their standards of women

[Cherie]

I have to laugh, suddenly they care about lesbians, though they had no issue with lesbians being called transphobes if they didn't fancy having it off with a transwoman...dear me

[Cherie]

Does every transman have a beard

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Does every transman have a beard

No but a LOT will

[Glenn.]

The hilarity of “does every trans man” though when trans women are all tarred with the same brush as a few wrong’uns

I’ll never understand heteros