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Originally Posted by glib

Like our shelves

Where was our revolution

not remotely similar

[arista]

KYIV the capital

Was hit by the Super Fast Russian Missile
in the Shopping Centre.
8 Civilians died


Sadly this is how Russia is going to win.

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The UK's ambassador to Ukraine has backed a potential visit to capital Kyiv by Prime Minister Boris Johnson, if security issues can be managed.

Melinda Simmons told Radio 4's Woman's Hour, the PM had done a "brilliant job" in showing solidarity with Ukraine, particularly in his conversations with President Zelensky.

"Any engagement is important to help bolster that extraordinary morale that the president has been showing by rallying the country and staying, himself, in the capital," said Simmons.

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The staunchly pro-Kremlin newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) published an article quoting the ministry as saying 9,861 Russian servicemen had died, a figure which exceeds even US intelligence estimates of Russian fatalities.

It gave the number of wounded as 16,153.

Minutes later, this part of the article disappeared from the page, but we were able to take screen grabs of the relevant paragraphs.

KP editor Vladimir Sungorkin subsequently told the BBC the information had been the result of a hack, and said the paper will post an explanation later.

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[Beso]

The us and UK are convinced putin is about to use chemical weapons....yet we will still stand back and watch.

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Originally Posted by parmnion

The us and UK are convinced putin is about to use chemical weapons....yet we will still stand back and watch.

we are trying to avoid a world war with nukes in play. That is good reason to me

[Beso]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we are trying to avoid a world war with nukes in play. That is good reason to me

It doesnt sit right with me...

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Originally Posted by parmnion

It doesnt sit right with me...

would a nuke landing in london sit well with you? Cause that's on the cards at the moment if we do anything rash

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Originally Posted by parmnion

It doesnt sit right with me...

The UK and US have an extensive history of playing "world police" and it's never ended well. Least of all for the countries we've supposedly been "helping"... who have we helped? Nothing left but rubble and dust.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

would a nuke landing in london sit well with you? Cause that's on the cards at the moment if we do anything rash

It's a risk I think must be taken for the sake of our Ukrainian brethren

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

would a nuke landing in london sit well with you? Cause that's on the cards at the moment if we do anything rash

Have you been at the funny fags?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The UK and US have an extensive history of playing "world police" and it's never ended well. Least of all for the countries we've supposedly been "helping"... who have we helped? Nothing left but rubble and dust.

We build those places back up..look at mainland Europe after world war 2...we got involved, we took our medicine during it, and we also helped build those countries back up....we do nothing now, we could be looking at the exact same scenario.

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Originally Posted by parmnion

It's a risk I think must be taken for the sake of our Ukrainian brethren

how exactly could we help though. How are we going to get troops in there safely for example. If we want to stop russian missile strikes, we would have to take out their launchers in russia, cause thats where the big ones are launched from. Don't you see how quickly it all escalates.

Also, ukranians have home advantage, they know the terrain. Western troops wouldnt have that knowledge, and they are certainly not going to get into street fighting which is where this is all heading

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

We build those places back up..look at mainland Europe after world war 2...we got involved, we took our medicine during it, and we also helped build those countries back up....we do nothing now, we could be looking at the exact same scenario.

WW2 was not a "world police" scenario, neither the UK nor the US got involved until there was a political mandate to do so. We can rewrite history and pretend that it was all good-heartedness and out of a desire to save innocents but it wasn't; the UK had a military pact with Poland, the Nazis invaded Poland, that pact was activated and Britain declared war. The US didn't get involved until they were attacked directly.

The UK and US won't go to war with Russia unless/until a NATO country or other country we have an alliance with is attacked. Nor should they. Ukraine is not one of those countries. Politically, it's that simple.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It doesnt sit right with me...

Tough.


We are not going to
into an attack on the UK or USA


No Fly Zone
not going to happen

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

Tough.


We are not going to
into an attack on the UK or USA


No Fly Zone
not going to happen

It's not tough for me....tough for the ukranians though....one in all in, that's my motto

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

WW2 was not a "world police" scenario, neither the UK nor the US got involved until there was a political mandate to do so. We can rewrite history and pretend that it was all good-heartedness and out of a desire to save innocents but it wasn't; the UK had a military pact with Poland, the Nazis invaded Poland, that pact was activated and Britain declared war. The US didn't get involved until they were attacked directly.

The UK and US won't go to war with Russia unless/until a NATO country or other country we have an alliance with is attacked. Nor should they. Ukraine is not one of those countries. Politically, it's that simple.

Is this the uk and us being world police though? Or would it be them acting on russias attempts at policing the world.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

how exactly could we help though. How are we going to get troops in there safely for example. If we want to stop russian missile strikes, we would have to take out their launchers in russia, cause thats where the big ones are launched from. Don't you see how quickly it all escalates.

Also, ukranians have home advantage, they know the terrain. Western troops wouldnt have that knowledge, and they are certainly not going to get into street fighting which is where this is all heading

Strike first....from afar..first, and heavily..

It will shut putin down.

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Strike first....from afar..first, and heavily..

It will shut putin down.

it wont shut putin down. How are we going to help ukraine by firing missiles at it

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it wont shut putin down. How are we going to help ukraine by firing missiles at it

At russia...fire them at russia.