[Ninastar]

I get the feeling that even if there was solid evidence that it was because he was from ISIS, a lot of people would still refuse to believe it because they just want to use this as an excuse to hate on American gun laws.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Firewire

At?

People using this thread to argue about gun law regulations. I just find it really disrespectful. Then again this is tibb so I shouldn't be surprised.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The FBI say he was.

No they don't?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

People using this thread to argue about gun law regulations. I just find it really disrespectful. Then again this is tibb so I shouldn't be surprised.

why

[Braden]

I think there have been other posts in this thread displaying a lot less respect than those who have discussed American gun laws, but I won't get into that.

I think people who have strong opinions on the anti/pro gun debate are right to debate it, but I also see why some posters want to mourn and not let the thread derail to that subject because it's such a controversial topic in itself.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I get the feeling that even if there was solid evidence that it was because he was from ISIS, a lot of people would still refuse to believe it because they just want to use this as an excuse to hate on American gun laws.

Why would the shooter having a connection to Isis in any way affect people's views on gun laws? Chances are the shooter used a gun that he purchased legally so his affiliation doesn't really matter.

I just don't want to give Isis the credit unless there's a proven link because it's what they want.

I don't think it's a bad thing that people are hating on the gun laws considering how many hundreds of lives have been taken in these all too frequent massacres alone. If there were tighter gun control then America probably wouldn't find themselves facing a new mass murder spree every few months.

Gun control works, look at the UK and Australia. We've only had one major shooting incident since Dunblane and the gun control laws were put in place and Australia hasn't had any since 1996 when they suffered a similar crime and introduced their own gun control laws. You can't blame people for wanting things to change, you can't blame people for being annoyed at innocent people dying because the powers that be refuse to change the status quo.

[empire]

well donald trump, warned and predicted, what will happen, and its happened, and the lefties are closing their eyes and putting there fingers in there ears, and who they attack are not the dumb terrorists, but Mr Trump,

[the truth]

I think both sides are guilty here.....you have 2 massive problems conflating, namely guns and terrorism. guns kill way more than terrorists in america but both are evil. gun murders have fallen a lot since the 90s per head. but risen the last few years. the gun death rates in europe are miniscule , but several nations especially in south america are way worse than america including brazil, honduras, south africa etc

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by empire

well donald trump, warned and predicted, what will happen, and its happened, and the lefties are closing their eyes and putting there fingers in there ears, and who they attack are not the dumb terrorists, but Mr Trump,

He didn't predict anything, it was already happening.

Btw an armed was headed to gay pride but the police stopped him. Good thing too. This happening twice in such a short sort of time would have been too much. He wasn't Muslim he was white.

[Marsh.]

But white people aren't terrorists? They're the good guys.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But white people aren't terrorists? They're the good guys.

Ask that idiot Trump. He's the one that asked for Obama to resign because he didn't call the Club shooting a radical Islam act. I don't even think he's mentioned the thwarted gay pride attack attempt. Just like when he went on about the Muslim wife and husband shooting but he said nothing about the White dude that shot the clinic. Sigh I loathe him and his followers.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Owen Jones walks out after reporters downplay homophobia in this act.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ow...-a7078891.html

The reporter is saying but this is not worst than the Paris attacks but that's not the point Owen was making. This clip is the equivalent of "black lives matter" and people replying with yes but All lives matter.

[Marsh.]

Owen Jones came across like a petulant child in that video to be honest.

[Shaun]

Just read something about how it's possible that some of those killed may not have been "out" to their parents, friends, or had the chance to transition, etc. and I can't think of many things more heartbreaking than having your deepest secret exposed, or journey cut short, because you've been killed out and being happy. Just hope that the families/friends either did already know and support them, or that if they didn't, there's no 'change' in their perception of their lost ones... perhaps it's morbid to consider it, but stranger things have been thought of the LGBT community.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Gun control works, look at the UK and Australia. We've only had one major shooting incident since Dunblane and the gun control laws were put in place and Australia hasn't had any since 1996 when they suffered a similar crime and introduced their own gun control laws. You can't blame people for wanting things to change, you can't blame people for being annoyed at innocent people dying because the powers that be refuse to change the status quo.

Gun control in the UK did not lower the homicide rate. The year 1996 was the last year that guns were legal in the UK but 2010 was the only year since then where homicide rates were less than 1996. It's true that death by guns lowered but stabbings skyrocketed.

Death by guns is the only statistic anyone on here seems to care about. No one cares about murders with other weapons. I would think that reduction in murder and homicides in general would be the true statistics that people should care about but that isn't the case.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Owen Jones came across like a petulant child in that video to be honest.

Meh. I don't blame him. They seemed determined to portray the attack as one on the West in general, rather than a specific attack on gay people. Basically telling him that he isn't more affected by this than them, just because he's gay, when to me it seems clear this attack, whether in the name of IS or not, was motivated by homophobia.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I feel very very very sorry that 50 of my dear community members have passed away. I consider LGBT community like my family so that hurt me deeply.

What needs to happen is that we need to get rid of isis thats it.

Isis attacks to everyone including muslims, it would be so easy to get rid of them if big countries do something about it but what do they do, they just say "ugh i am sorry for your loss, isis is evil" well if you dont like it then do something about it.

[Amy Jade]

I can totally understand the gun discussion surrounding this.

The murderer was deemed a threat enough by the FBI that he was banned from flying but he was able to purchase a rifle and a hand gun? that's messed up.

[lewis111]

This needs to be a time to talk about gun laws in America though
Obviously we pay our respects to the victims and send love to their friends and family but that won't prevent an act like this happening again
Something very serious has to be done and peope talking about it could increase the chance, but still my doubtful anything will change

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MelihV

I feel very very very sorry that 50 of my dear community members have passed away. I consider LGBT community like my family so that hurt me deeply.

What needs to happen is that we need to get rid of isis thats it.

Isis attacks to everyone including muslims, it would be so easy to get rid of them if big countries do something about it but what do they do, they just say "ugh i am sorry for your loss, isis is evil" well if you dont like it then do something about it.

Unfortunately they're not that easy to get rid of because even if you killed every ISIS fighter in the Middle East the ideology would still be there within the Muslim community.It will be a long battle and Islam itself will be the thing in the end that is most effective in combatting these extreme views from within.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by lewis111

This needs to be a time to talk about gun laws in America though
Obviously we pay our respects to the victims and send love to their friends and family but that won't prevent an act like this happening again
Something very serious has to be done and peope talking about it could increase the chance, but still my doubtful anything will change

Changing US gun laws won't stop terrorist attacks in Europe,Britain,Other middle eastern countries or even in America.Even if guns were harder to get then they would still easily get them or use explosives.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Unfortunately they're not that easy to get rid of because even if you killed every ISIS fighter in the Middle East the ideology would still be there within the Muslim community.It will be a long battle and Islam itself will be the thing in the end that is most effective in combatting these extreme views from within.

But still if world fought isis we would have less problems because they wouldnt have the strenght to attack. But instead we are letting them alone so they can get stronger and stronger

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Changing US gun laws won't stop terrorist attacks in Europe,Britain,Other middle eastern countries or even in America.Even if guns were harder to get then they would still easily get them or use explosives.

Gun laws won't stop terrorism but they can cut back on so so many killings in America
There's been 998 mass shootings in Ameroca since the sandy hook attack, and that number is probably 0 or 1 in all western gun free countries

[VanessaFeltz.]

"Lets not ban guns because some people still have guns and kill people" logic is the stupidest logic ever

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

People using this thread to argue about gun law regulations. I just find it really disrespectful. Then again this is tibb so I shouldn't be surprised.

It kind of goes hand in hand with each other considering the mass shooting though no?