[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We must be homophobes,OMG, string me up

I dont give a flying one, my views are my views and no one will change them !

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As with most years, I started off thinking Andrew was absolutely gorgeous. By the time he left I did not fancy him at all. Personality is very important.

This happens to me every year on BB. Think someone is lush then end up finding them gross. Or think someone is average and end up with a raging crush

I know. If only the young could see further than a pretty face the likes of Andrew and many others would have been out the first week. The innocence of youth!

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Because they voted Ann back in until she retired might be a pointer.

Ann gave a valid nomination reason according to BB.

I heard them say they were aroused and they found it funny so why are you questioning their take on it.

Because Ann represented a 100% true blue Tory constituency - 'might be a pointer' too!

Yes Ann did give a reason for her nomination but I for one would question its validity. Interesting how both Emma and Ryland had to make remarks about the possibility of a dodgy nomination?

Sorry, but what has the boys state of 'arousal' got to do with anything? I never raised it in the first place YOU did?!

Geeze, I really had thought the UK had moved on from its homophobic and bigoted past but clearly I am wrong seeing so many are willing to condone it in the 21st century.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I dont give a flying one, my views are my views and no one will change them !

Here, here chuff,

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Because Ann represented a 100% true blue Tory constituency - 'might be a pointer' too!

Yes Ann did give a reason for her nomination but I for one would question its validity. Interesting how both Emma and Ryland had to make remarks about the possibility of a dodgy nomination?

Sorry, but what has the boys state of 'arousal' got to do with anything? I never raised it in the first place YOU did?!

Geeze, I really had thought the UK had moved on from its homophobic and bigoted past but clearly I am wrong seeing so many are willing to condone it in the 21st century.

We are not condoning homophobia people just find flaws in the sentiment that Ann is a homophobe

Gosh it must be a crappy reality where u paint the entire world as homophobic and other labels

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Bless you I know it's embarrassing to be proven wrong but don't worry my friend

Stop it please Jack, I am asking you nicely.

[Vicky.]

OK can we stop with the sniping at other members please. Its possible to discuss the housemates and their views without being personal about posters. I am asking nicely..if it continues I will not be so nice

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I read on here that Ann also voted against gay people being able to have civil partnerships, is this true?

Just..I understand her reason for voting against gay marriage if its really about the meaning of the word marriage (ie between a man and a woman, blahblah) even though I disagree with it, but I cannot think of any reason why she would vote against civil partnerships.

The age of consent thing I think I might possibly agree with her on. Not that gay people should have a different age of consent (though she clarified this was not what she meant) but that she thinks the age of consent for everyone should be raised. So she voted against lowering it as she thinks it should be higher for everyone, totally understand the reasoning for that one.

But civil partnerships, no idea. Can surely only be homophobia as civil partnerships is nothing to do with religion or anything. Thats why I am checking if that was actually true, I didn't realize there was a vote on them to start with tbh.

Ann did indeed vote against Civil Partnerships too and as you say they are Civil Partnerships and not religious marriages.

Indeed, the current Equal Marriages are also only 'Civil' for same sex couples since in England and Wales you cannot legally have a Same Sex Marriage (SSM) in a church. You have to go to the Register Office, as I and my Hubby did, then perhaps have a Church Blessing if you can find a church to do it. The Blessing is not a Marriage.

Thus, Ann's objection to Civil and indeed SSMs has logically to be down personal homophobia rather than any religious objection seeing neither Partnerships nor SSMs take place in a Church.

As for equal age of consent. Yet again Ann voted against equality for the LGBT community. I have no issue with 'equal' age of consent at say 16, 18 or even 21, so long as it's equal. Ann just didn't want to allow Gay people any equality whatsoever?! Make your own mind up as to her motives?

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Because Ann represented a 100% true blue Tory constituency - 'might be a pointer' too!

Yes Ann did give a reason for her nomination but I for one would question its validity. Interesting how both Emma and Ryland had to make remarks about the possibility of a dodgy nomination?

Sorry, but what has the boys state of 'arousal' got to do with anything? I never raised it in the first place YOU did?!

Geeze, I really had thought the UK had moved on from its homophobic and bigoted past but clearly I am wrong seeing so many are willing to condone it in the 21st century.

So, now you are saying Anne's Tory constituents were not allowed to cast their votes as they saw fit but had to vote for your agenda?

Sorry, Democracy doesn't, hadn't and didn't work that way.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Ann did indeed vote against Civil Partnerships too and as you say they are Civil Partnerships and not religious marriages.

Indeed, the current Equal Marriages are also only 'Civil' for same sex couples since in England and Wales you cannot legally have a Same Sex Marriage (SSM) in a church. You have to go to the Register Office, as I and my Hubby did, then perhaps have a Church Blessing if you can find a church to do it. The Blessing is not a Marriage.

Thus, Ann's objection to Civil and indeed SSMs has logically to be down personal homophobia rather than any religious objection seeing neither Partnerships nor SSMs take place in a Church.

As for equal age of consent. Yet again Ann voted against equality for the LGBT community. I have no issue with 'equal' age of consent at say 16, 18 or even 21, so long as it's equal. Ann just didn't want to allow Gay people any equality whatsoever?! Make your own mind up as to her motives?

Yeah I get that. She did say though, that she would vote to make the age of consent for heterosexual relationships higher, so she did want the ages equal..just she knew making the hetero age higher would never pass, which it probably wouldn't...people think the consent age should be lower still :S

Yes, the civil partnerships thing can only be personal homophobia. I can think of no reason AT ALL to vote against that.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Stop it please Jack, I am asking you nicely.

Again, you started it:

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Give it a rest old chap:shrug

Don't bait and neither will I. A mod has asked for it to stop now too.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

So, now you are saying Anne's Tory constituents were not allowed to cast their votes as they saw fit but had to vote for your agenda?

Sorry, Democracy doesn't, hadn't and didn't work that way.

Now you really are not making any sense at all ?!

When did I say Ann's constituents had to vote for 'my agenda'? I wasn't standing nor am I an MP.

I said Ann's constituents voted for her because she was in a 100% SAFE Tory seat. They would have voted for a dog or a cat had the Tories put either up. It frankly wouldn't matter they're largely all Tories in Maidstone and The Weald!

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Again, you started it:



Don't bait and neither will I. A mod has asked for it to stop now too.

Thank you mods

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Now you really are not making any sense at all ?!

When did I say Ann's constituents had to vote for 'my agenda'? I wasn't standing nor am I an MP.

I said Ann's constituents voted for her because she was in a 100% SAFE Tory seat. They would have voted for a dog or a cat had the Tories put either up. It frankly wouldn't matter they're largely all Tories in Maidstone and The Weald!

Your comment was ambiguous, I couldn't understand why you wrote what you did because it seemed so odd.

But I now take your point. All constituencies have at one time favored a certain party, nothing wrong with that.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

We are not condoning homophobia people just find flaws in the sentiment that Ann is a homophobe

Gosh it must be a crappy reality where u paint the entire world as homophobic and other labels

You say that you are not condoning homophobic people yet find flaws in the accusations that is a homophobe - sorry but that simply has to be an oxymoron?!

I think the case that Ann is a homophobe has been eloquently made on this forum and on forums well beyond BB. Just read web sites such as Pink News and you might get a flavour of how Miss Widdy is viewed beyond the confines of the BBH.

Not all batty and eccentric 'old ladies' are necessarily nice!

Finally, I don't pain the whole world as homophobic, where have I said that?

I have luckily lived most my life without bumping into homophobes. Interestingly, I usually only encounter them on Forums such as this.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

You say that you are not condoning homophobic people yet find flaws in the accusations that is a homophobe - sorry but that simply has to be an oxymoron?!

I think the case that Ann is a homophobe has been eloquently made on this forum and on forums well beyond BB. Just read web sites such as Pink News and you might get a flavour of how Miss Widdy is viewed beyond the confines of the BBH.

Not all batty and eccentric 'old ladies' are necessarily nice!

Finally, I don't pain the whole world as homophobic, where have I said that?

I have luckily lived most my life without bumping into homophobes. Interestingly, I usually only encounter them on Forums such as this.

Pink News - sounds like a teenage girl’s bitchfest - straight or trans! No thanks!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

I think the case that Ann is a homophobe has been eloquently made on this forum and on forums well beyond BB. Just read web sites such as Pink News and you might get a flavour of how Miss Widdy is viewed beyond the confines of the BBH.

Sorry, pink news is a bit of a joke these days. Started off well but now? Its ridiculous

I name it penisnews tbh as it ignores lesbians completely. Then again so does stonewall and Ruth Hunt. Despite being a lesbian herself. Lesbianism is unacceptable in this day and age apparently.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Your comment was ambiguous, I couldn't understand why you wrote what you did because it seemed so odd.

But I now take your point. All constituencies have at one time favored a certain party, nothing wrong with that.

Indeed, nothing wrong with that as you say.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

You say that you are not condoning homophobic people yet find flaws in the accusations that is a homophobe - sorry but that simply has to be an oxymoron?!

I think the case that Ann is a homophobe has been eloquently made on this forum and on forums well beyond BB. Just read web sites such as Pink News and you might get a flavour of how Miss Widdy is viewed beyond the confines of the BBH.

Not all batty and eccentric 'old ladies' are necessarily nice!

Finally, I don't pain the whole world as homophobic, where have I said that?

I have luckily lived most my life without bumping into homophobes. Interestingly, I usually only encounter them on Forums such as this.

I have lived my life without grown men calling elderly unmarried ladies the C word and discussing their sex life. Yet, that's OK because they are not homophobes.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Pink News - sounds like a teenage girl’s bitchfest - straight or trans! No thanks!

No problem, just stick to the Daily Mail or Express!

[Ellen]

I believe her reason for been against civil partnership's at the time were due to marriage been undermined as in people will opt for a civil partnership rather than marriage to have children and she believes people should be married if having children.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Sorry, pink news is a bit of a joke these days. Started off well but now? Its ridiculous

I name it penisnews tbh as it ignores lesbians completely. Then again so does stonewall and Ruth Hunt. Despite being a lesbian herself. Lesbianism is unacceptable in this day and age apparently.

I agree with your comments about Pink News, has gone down as you say. But I was merely trying to direct some on this Forum away from seeing Ann as some benign old lady and in doing some research on her. Pink News perhaps being a start but other periodicals are available.

I personally like the Guardian, Independent and New Statesman but dip into the PN just for a bit of LGBT gossip

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I have lived my life without grown men calling elderly unmarried ladies the C word and discussing their sex life. Yet, that's OK because they are not homophobes.

Discussing her sex life on public TV! A real man would never do That! He’s a creep.

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

No problem, just stick to the Daily Mail or Express!

What’s wrong with those tbh

They’re certainly not on the level of like the sun’s tackiness

Tbh just read the guardian

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

No problem, just stick to the Daily Mail or Express!

I will - that way I will be better informed than reading the Guardian’s drivel.