[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's a lot of "probablies " in your assumptions as that's all it is , wild assumptions.

So now you think Culkin is predatory as well?? .

Seems many had already made their minds up that he was a child molester , and don't even doubt it ,even with his acquittal ,people it seems want to believe he did the things he did, so that's up to them , personally I have seen nothing to confirm he is what they think , so I will continue to play his music , watch his videos and admire the artist he was .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's a lot of "probablies " in your assumptions as that's all it is , wild assumptions.

So now you think Culkin is predatory as well?? .

Well he did travel to a paedophile island on Thialand where he caught a disease.......from a cat.....then it wasn't a cat it was red meat......I think it was some bodies bleeding bottom myself.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Culkin certainly changed once he started hanging out with Michael...that can't be denied.

I always felt sorry for him actually, his family (particularly his father iirc) didn't seem like they protected him at all and saw him as a meal ticket more than anything. It is possible (and this is pure speculation on my part of course) that Macauley could have been abused by Michael but "loved him" and felt it was mutual maybe and is protecting him for that reason. I think Maccauley and Michael probably had a very similar kind of a childhood (or lack of)

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I always felt sorry for him actually, his family (particularly his father iirc) didn't seem like they protected him at all and saw him as a meal ticket more than anything. It is possible (and this is pure speculation on my part of course) that Macauley could have been abused by Michael but "loved him" and felt it was mutual maybe and is protecting him for that reason. I think Maccauley and Michael probably had a very similar kind of a childhood (or lack of)

that is quite Obvious in MJ's case, agree with you about his father, when Michael was just dead, at his funeral his father was promoting more albums for public to buy/stream and what more music to be released from MJ posthumously

i was like wtf, this is seriously worst timing ever to promote his music, his children were sad and all he thinks about is more sales from his music

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

that is quite Obvious in MJ's case, agree with you about his father, when Michael was just dead, at his funeral his father was promoting more albums for public to buy/stream and what more music to be released from MJ posthumously

i was like wtf, this is seriously worst timing ever to promote his music, his children were sad and all he thinks about is more sales from his music

I was talking about Macauley Culkin and his father there

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was talking about Macauley Culkin and his father there

oh, i don't even know about their father


as for Macauley, yes very sad how he has changed from such a cute child in the home alone movies to now

[bots]

Everyone that Jackson surrounded himself with was psychologically broken in some way. Liz Taylor, Lisa Minnelli, the Presley girl ... all very damaged, and it seems the kids he latched on to were all pretty much the same

[Crimson Dynamo]

He put a huge amount of money and time and effort into embedding that into the public imagination,” Reed says. “Neverland, this sort of playground for children – of course designed to attract children and designed to be a playground for him as a rampant predatory paedophile – was a way for Jackson to hide in plain sight… ‘of course I’m walking along holding a little boy’s hand every minute of the day’ – not a girl’s hand, a boy’s hand – ‘of course I do this, because I’m just a child at heart and I love children; of course I’m going to spend the night with your little boy because we just like to play, it’s a slumber party’.

“It’s rubbish. He was raping those children night after night after night in the next room to their mothers. Spending days and nights in little boys’ homes. It’s the most appalling depravity covered up by this façade of angelic childlike purity – that lie was staring us all in the face for so many years.”


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2019/...chael-jackson/

[Nicky91]

UH what weirdo does do something like that ''night after night after night''


and also like this wasn't already known to public, MJ did spend time with little children

Youtube video

only difference this was his own child, that is even more disturbing

or this video some yrs back where he was asked about this

Youtube video

did any radio station never play MJ songs anymore back then? NO

[Crimson Dynamo]

There was nothing and i mean nothing in the manner, delivery etc of the 2 men's testimony last night that would lead you to think they were lying

my overwhelming takeaway from what their body language portrayed was that of acute sadness

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There was nothing and i mean nothing in the manner, delivery etc of the 2 men's testimony last night that would lead you to think they were lying

my overwhelming takeaway from what their body language portrayed was that of acute sadness

Yes there was LT , the lack of emotion for a start , the very detailed description they remembered from years back , the keeping of the 'gifts' and the background information on these two needs to be brought to the forefront , as someone said facts don't lie,humans do, all we got was hearsay from two guys who were pissed off that he moved on,what's the betting there will be several more accustations now , they are bound to be 'sad' where do they go from here.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes there was LT , the lack of emotion for a start , the very detailed description they remembered from years back , the keeping of the 'gifts' and the background information on these two needs to be brought to the forefront , as someone said facts don't lie,humans do, all we got was hearsay from two guys who were pissed off that he moved on,what's the betting there will be several more accustations now , they are bound to be 'sad' where do they go from here.

Pissed off that he moved on from what. Moved on from a friendship? So that he could start a new friendship with someone younger?

Do people often "move on" from friendships to start new ones?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Pissed off that he moved on from what. Moved on from a friendship? So that he could start a new friendship with someone younger?

Do people often "move on" from friendships to start new ones?

It's sounds even more sinister if you ask :

Do adult men often "move on" from friendships with young boys to start new ones with younger boys?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's sounds even more sinister if you ask :

Do adult men often "move on" from friendships with young boys to start new ones with younger boys?

People's reasoning is that he just "liked being around childlike innocence" because he saw himself as a child, so when the kids grew older he wanted new children to be around "but innocently".

Honestly I still say that REGARDLESS of the abuse claims, I cannot fathom how anyone can defend that action? Taking in a kid, treating them as though they're special and amazing, and then dumping them like a cold bag of sick when they hit 14 to find a replacement? It would be a horrendous thing to do to an adult, let alone a child! Not criminal but indefensible IMO.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes there was LT , the lack of emotion for a start , the very detailed description they remembered from years back , the keeping of the 'gifts' and the background information on these two needs to be brought to the forefront , as someone said facts don't lie,humans do, all we got was hearsay from two guys who were pissed off that he moved on,what's the betting there will be several more accustations now , they are bound to be 'sad' where do they go from here.

2 children being miffed at not being a favourite is not motivation for 2 adults to make the claims they have made


all children suffer disappointment, we all have but we dont do what they have done. They are taking on the most popular pop music star of the last 40 years, one of the richest people and estates on the planet, for what - because they were upset once as kids?

no

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There was nothing and i mean nothing in the manner, delivery etc of the 2 men's testimony last night that would lead you to think they were lying

my overwhelming takeaway from what their body language portrayed was that of acute sadness

Like I said near the beginning of the thread - if they're lying then they're both undiscovered talent because their acting (especially James Safechuck) is oscar-worthy. His mental health struggles surrounding this and his anxiety in talking about it is really clear, to anyone who knows what an anxiety disorder looks like, in my opinion.

Wade is a slightly more complicated one because I think it's pretty clear that he never really stopped loving Michael and WAS angry and jealous when Michael "moved on" to other kids, and I suspect to this day he still thinks back on their relationship as a loving one, and possibly even his motivation is more in "getting what he feels he's owed" because Michael "dumped him". But I still believe that their "friendship" involved sexual activity, and that still means he was abused and Jackson was a child abuser, whether he "acts like a victim" or not.

[Beso]

Strange that his adult friends all seem to be older females...and the rest are you kids....it was all about power with Michael in my opinion...just look at some of the photos with the kids families, the fathers are almost frozen out of the pictures..

[Beso]

And can you now point to where he touched you on the doll please.




https://goo.gl/images/fujX3J

[Crimson Dynamo]

Smooth FM have now banned his songs

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Smooth FM have now banned his songs

You could say he's now become a Smooth Criminal

[Crimson Dynamo]

Songs now banned from radio stations in Australia, New Zealand and Canada

[Nicky91]

ban his music now from radio stations, while this has been a topic for so long

yes i can see the logic in that

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

ban his music now from radio stations, while this has been a topic for so long

yes i can see the logic in that

You should ask yourself why.....why now!

[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_1tGqn4jXc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2jCPOi0-4

[UserSince2005]

Hell is too good for this ****