[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I always thought that Michael Jackson was a child inside because he never got to have a childhood being pushed into Music at such a young age.

He might've been a paedophile, but my feelings are that he just wanted to relive his childhood, hence hanging around children that was at the same age as him mentally.

This was my thought too for a long time- that he was just a man that never had a childhood so he was living it out as an adult, but now I'm not so sure anymore especially with so many old legends turning out to be pedos. I read somewhere that he was attracted to Macauly and he possibly abused him...look how slightly disturbed he grew up also recently they apparently found child pornography at his home Like Niamh I wouldn't be surprised if he was sexually abused as a kid. He thrown into the wolves so young

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I've never seen some of these shows, I'll probably catch them eventually though as my family is very up on crime shows.

Oh the autocorrect typos in my posts. I never proof read and if I do I've already posted

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

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I can't with this. And he's serious. Another who loved Michael and vice versa and turned out weird.

[Ammi]

...those people...THOSE PEOPLE....THOSE DARN PEOPLE who don't empty their in-boxes...(glares at CeeCee.../I couldn't message you this morning.../thank you if you empty it and open the lines etc....)...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...those people...THOSE PEOPLE....THOSE DARN PEOPLE who don't empty their in-boxes...(glares at CeeCee.../I couldn't message you this morning.../thank you if you empty it and open the lines etc....)...

Oops it's such a chore and I'm a natural hoarder. Meant to delete the other day but just couldn't do it looking at some old ones

[LukeB]

People who treat people like **** for no reason.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Oops it's such a chore and I'm a natural hoarder. Meant to delete the other day but just couldn't do it looking at some old ones

....hawww, I'm the same..I hated the first time that I had to delete messages, it felt like I was throwing away letters written that had great meaning..?...the only way I can do it now really is to just be ruthless and not even look at them but just hit that delete because I know that if I start to look, I just won't be able to.......


...(all of those lovely messages are in our heart anyway, having them in our inbox or not having them there, won't change that..)...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

So is Kate Upton gonna comment on Terrence Cruther or nah? The world is waiting since her last input

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Deep conditioning and being confined to sitting under a hot as hell hair dryer for 15 mins to an hour

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Oh I see. It's the same with WM3 ( the 3 boys I mentioned) to be honest. The first document in 1996 was biased towards their innocence and left out a lot of crucial information. That document is what got them Hollywood support and everyone pushed the innocence. All documentaries and publicity after did the same but when you actually read more you can have doubts like for example one of the boys actually confessed 5 times that they did it but then a lot of what he said was a bit inconsistent with what they found but at the same time there were things only the people that did it could have known.

Another thing that's interesting is that after they were released, the boy that initially confessed cut ties with the other two. People say it could be guilt is eating him up. They deemed him the most unstable/retarded at the time I believe. But the "ring leader" Damian Echols was such a weird boy though, he drank blood at the time maybe still does now.

Just watched Devils Knot, it is really interesting, isn't it? I need to look into it a bit more. The bloody man is a bit of a mystery too, also the dads were a bit suspicious, alot of times it turns out to be a relative in these situations. Poor little babies though

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by LukeB

People who treat people like **** for no reason.

there is always a reason

[Niamh.]

This site is pretty sure they are guilty CeeCee

http://www.westmemphisthreefacts.com/

[Niamh.]

Just reading a bit more, I think it was the WM3 actually

Regarding their whereabouts on the night of the murders, all three of the convicted men have changed their stories several times.

On May 9, 1993, Baldwin and Echols told police they were at Jason's uncle's house at the time of the murders. The very next day, however, Echols told police a different story -- that he and his family spent the evening together, with Damien stating that he had a telephone conversation with a girl named Holly George until almost midnight. George denied this in an official police statement.

Echols would later state that he spent the evening talking on the phone to three other girls. In official statements, all three said they didn't speak with Echols until nearly 9:30 p.m. -- well after the suspected timeframe of the triple murder.

Testimonies from Baldwin's parents, brother and uncle were similarly disjointed, and Misskelley's wrestling alibi presented in "West of Memphis" conflicts sharply with earlier testimonies.

There is, however, a considerable amount of evidence to corroborate Misskelley's "confession" that he committed the murders while intoxicated. Not only did police investigators speak to a woman who said she purchased the liquor for him, a whiskey bottle was discovered in an area proximate to the murders -- the exact same brand Misskelley mentioned, in virtually the identical location he told police he had discarded it.

http://uncommonjournalism.blogspot.i...s-charged.html

I watched an interview with Terry Hobbs too, I believe him tbh, his wife seems a bit mental

[Northern Monkey]

Crabs

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just reading a bit more, I think it was the WM3 actually

Regarding their whereabouts on the night of the murders, all three of the convicted men have changed their stories several times.

On May 9, 1993, Baldwin and Echols told police they were at Jason's uncle's house at the time of the murders. The very next day, however, Echols told police a different story -- that he and his family spent the evening together, with Damien stating that he had a telephone conversation with a girl named Holly George until almost midnight. George denied this in an official police statement.

Echols would later state that he spent the evening talking on the phone to three other girls. In official statements, all three said they didn't speak with Echols until nearly 9:30 p.m. -- well after the suspected timeframe of the triple murder.

Testimonies from Baldwin's parents, brother and uncle were similarly disjointed, and Misskelley's wrestling alibi presented in "West of Memphis" conflicts sharply with earlier testimonies.

There is, however, a considerable amount of evidence to corroborate Misskelley's "confession" that he committed the murders while intoxicated. Not only did police investigators speak to a woman who said she purchased the liquor for him, a whiskey bottle was discovered in an area proximate to the murders -- the exact same brand Misskelley mentioned, in virtually the identical location he told police he had discarded it.

http://uncommonjournalism.blogspot.i...s-charged.html

I watched an interview with Terry Hobbs too, I believe him tbh, his wife seems a bit mental

a lot of people think they did it. They get a lot of support from the Metal community though because they believe they were targeted because of the music they listened to and what they looked like mostly Damian. There's a whole lot more I need to read myself. I'm still undecided. Damian runs an art business at the moment and he's been on countless talk shows. Apparently he was raped in prison.

What turned it around for them was that when DNA evolved, they found hair from one of the fathers on one of the boys shoelaces. People say it could've got on there when maybe he was tying the boys shoe at home- only the boy they found it on wasn't his son it was one of the other boys. There are also witnesses that say they saw the father and his friend with the boys shortly before they were murdered. One of the fathers was physically abusive to the boy.

Did you see this clip of when Pam Hobbs found out her son was dead? People are confused by how chill Terry seems and say that's a sign of a guilty man. Pam is still active today. Still lookin for justice. She doesn't think the boys did it.

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Damian with Piers. We hardly ever see Jessy.

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[Niamh.]

I'll watch those on my break, thanks CeeCee. Yeah i read about the shoe lace but I also read that, the boys had mixed shoe laces binding them, so it may not have been his own shoe lace that he was bound with and that also all the boys spent time in eachothers houses so it could just have stuck to him at anytime when he was walking round the house or whatever? Also, apparently Pam didn't start accusing Terry of being involved until they were in the middle of a bitter divorce, I read also that she accused him of sexually abusing their daughter but the daughter (who doesn't really get on with Terry) says she doesn't ever remember anything like that happening :/ As for the eye witnesses, they came forward years later too apparently and it contradicts another witness who says they saw the boys alone at that time in another place

[Niamh.]

Also, looks like the "Bloody man" was just a homeless guy who's arm was in a sling so would have been very difficult for him to do that to three 8 year olds, also the staff said it looked like it was his own blood that he was covered in. Would have been a bit stupid of him to come into the restaurant covered in blood if he was actually just after murdering 3 people

[Niamh.]

hhhmmm I'm having doubts again now The thing that's interesting though is from what I've read the pro WM3 being innocent sites and movie seem to want to discredit Aaron's (the boys friend) statement on the one hand but now they have the theory about Terry seem to want to bring that back in to support the new theory

[Niamh.]

Ohhh now I'm thinking maybe they are innocent, I need to watch one of the documentaries, Damn you CeeCee

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ohhh now I'm thinking maybe they are innocent, I need to watch one of the documentaries, Damn you CeeCee

Lol it's a difficult case, i'm constantly switching back and forth too.

The plea deal was weird too. They were going to have a retrial but the boys, especially Damian who was on death row, weren't convinced that justice would be served and they would be found not guilty so they accepted a deal which says they are guilty but still maintain their innocence.
Doing this prevents investigators from reopening the case, which is a shame because justice is not served and this is also why Terry is not being investigated. I read that because of the location of the hair, could have only been there during/after the murders. No DNA from the boys ANYWHERE. Even where it should have been, according to Jessy's testimony. We have to remember there's no way the government would let out 3 supposed child killers unless there was way too much reasonable doubt and they're possibly innocent.

The bloody man ''Mr Bojangles'' was never found after, some people believe it could have been him as there wasn't a proper investigation on him.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Lol it's a difficult case, i'm constantly switching back and forth too.

The plea deal was weird too. They were going to have a retrial but the boys, especially Damian who was on death row, weren't convinced that justice would be served and they would be found not guilty so they accepted a deal which says they are guilty but still maintain their innocence.
Doing this prevents investigators from reopening the case, which is a shame because justice is not served and this is also why Terry is not being investigated. I read that because of the location of the hair, could have only been there during/after the murders.

The bloody man ''Mr Bojangles'' was never found after, some people believe it could have been him as there wasn't a proper investigation on him.

mm The Mr. Bojangles guy seems unlikely though if he did and went to the trouble of hiding the bodies, their clothes, their bikes etc it seems like a weird choice to then go into a restaurant covered in the blood of the victims, also if his arm was in a cast (like the some witnesses reported) it would have made all he was supposed to have done highly improbable. Sounds more like a guy maybe off his face having fell down and cut himself (since he stumbled into the wrong toilet for a start)

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mm The Mr. Bojangles guy seems unlikely though if he did and went to the trouble of hiding the bodies, their clothes, their bikes etc it seems like a weird choice to then go into a restaurant covered in the blood of the victims, also if his arm was in a cast (like the some witnesses reported) it would have made all he was supposed to have done highly improbable. Sounds more like a guy maybe off his face having fell down and cut himself (since he stumbled into the wrong toilet for a start)

I think the reliability of the Bojangles witnesses were questioned for a number of reasons which I forgot. If it was him, he could have wanted to clean up but then was spotted before he could. Did it say whether he cleaned up first before disappearing? I'll need to read about Mr Bojangles again. But it's true, the murder's would have taken at least 2 people. If he was in a cast, it couldn't have been him. Unless he got injured during the murders and managed to get a cast somehow between there and the restaurant oh but then he wouldn't been bloody.

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Damian was kind of arrogant, delusional, possibly high during that time. He seemed to enjoy the possibility of being famous because they were on trial. There's lots of videos of Johnny Depp and Eddie talking about this. Eddie campaigned for 10 years and Damian and Johnny are so close they have matching tattoos. Damian and Jason are pretty smart to be honest and speak eloquently

[Niamh.]

Those interviews make him look really creepy :/ I'd hate for them to be guilty knowing that Eddie Vedder was a big supporter of them, he's like my hero

I'm watching Paradise lost now

[Niamh.]

oh re Mr Bojangles also, if he'd murdered the boys and dumped them in a river, why wouldn't he have washed the blood of in that water instead of walking into a restaurant covered in blood?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

oh re Mr Bojangles also, if he'd murdered the boys and dumped them in a river, why wouldn't he have washed the blood of in that water instead of walking into a restaurant covered in blood?

Very true!! Shame he must be dead by now, would have been nice to hear his side.