[arista]

Alex is Live on BBC1HD now

What's the vibe? Is he saying anything new? Is he communicating his points through the medium of experimental dance?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

What's the vibe? Is he saying anything new? Is he communicating his points through the medium of experimental dance?

No he still Demands a debate with PM
and that will not happen.


Nothing New
we need his White Paper in Nov.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No he still Demands a debate with PM
and that will not happen.


Nothing New
we need his White Paper in Nov.

He should engage in a debate with Alex Salmond, Alex Salmond is the current elected leader of the Scottish Govt.
David Cameron is the elected PM of the whole UK.

If Scotland votes for independence it will have happened in his time as PM, he should have been seen to lead the battle to keep the Scots as part of the UK.
Failure to do so will reflect very badly on him long term.

What is he really afraid of however as to a debate with Alex Salmond.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He should engage in a debate with Alex Salmond, Alex Salmond is the current elected leader of the Scottish Govt.
David Cameron is the elected PM of the whole UK.

If Scotland votes for independence it will have happened in his time as PM, he should have been seen to lead the battle to keep the Scots as pasrt of the UK.
Failure to do so will relect very badly on him long term.

What is he really afraid of however as to a debate with Alex Salmond.

No the PM has stated
its not a England Vs Scotland fight.
Its Scotland asking its wants to go it alone.

Debate on Radio 5 live now
Alex on it.



The PM is not getting into a Debate with Alex
Fact

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by the truth

this tory lot are certainly pushing Scotland toward independence again
the nasty party are bringing back the nightmares of Thatcherism
can I also add the scots are far far better educated than the rest of the UK
The scots people Ive met and know are majority in favour of independence and they could talk to you for days giving endless minute detail how they would be better off.
they seem to understand how to get a better deal out of Europe too, which is crucial
they have their own oil, their own flag,theyre own tax system, many of their own laws, they print their own money, theyd still have the monarchy as some meaningless valueless symbol as does all lof the Uk sadly. theyd still form part of the british army but have more control when regiments are threatened with closure....If they want to reinvest in coal as they probably will as an energy source at this desperate time, they can....they have absolutely enormous tract of unused land that can be used for mining, tracking, windfarms or offshore.....tidal power is another option.....

Scotland as a people are massively respected, with their rich history and heritage in particular for science, education,engineering, ship building, inventions and more recently in their burgeoning financial services sector...etc
the scots are liked, for a small nation of just over 5 million, there are vast swathes of scots in top jobs across the spectrum.....the country is stunning, the reputation is superb...people want to do business with them

I say go for it

I like this post it's a refreshing change from the all too common attitude of "**** em.. Let them go it alone and see how long they survive without being subsidised by us!" Blah blah blah

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

No Way


You are English

I would rather give the SNP a chance than the shower of **** that England has to chose between tbh

I actually feel closer to the Scottish than Southerners. They (from my experience anyway) are much nicer/friendlier people too.

[user104658]

I'm being slowly swayed towards independence, to be honest. Not because I think we would he instantly better off - but looking at the long-term prospects it seems like a sensible option. I actually think there would be a good few hard years or even decades to get through the teething problems. However... Currently it feels a lot like - despite the current governments fiddled figures - Britain is a sinking ship. It's still getting worse, economically and politically, especially for average working families, and I can't see things improving any time soon. And with that in mind... Scotland will be the first to be thrown to the wolves if things get much worse. Followed by the North of England, then Wales, then middle England, then the south and finally precious London. That's the order of importance.

I'm more concerned with my children's long-term wellbeing and prospects than my own short term comfort... So it's starting to seriously feel like a viable option.

It won't happen though, for one simple reason: most people are in the grips of political apathy, they dont understand the choice they're being asked to make, and when people don't understand a choice they will automatically stick with familiar territory. They feel like that's "safe", that "things are OK as they are". Not realising that the UK is in for some drastic changes either way... Either path is taking a risk.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm being slowly swayed towards independence, to be honest. Not because I think we would he instantly better off - but looking at the long-term prospects it seems like a sensible option. I actually think there would be a good few hard years or even decades to get through the teething problems. However... Currently it feels a lot like - despite the current governments fiddled figures - Britain is a sinking ship. It's still getting worse, economically and politically, especially for average working families, and I can't see things improving any time soon. And with that in mind... Scotland will be the first to be thrown to the wolves if things get much worse. Followed by the North of England, then Wales, then middle England, then the south and finally precious London. That's the order of importance.

I'm more concerned with my children's long-term wellbeing and prospects than my own short term comfort... So it's starting to seriously feel like a viable option.

It won't happen though, for one simple reason: most people are in the grips of political apathy, they dont understand the choice they're being asked to make, and when people don't understand a choice they will automatically stick with familiar territory. They feel like that's "safe", that "things are OK as they are". Not realising that the UK is in for some drastic changes either way... Either path is taking a risk.

I agree completely.. I think the Yes campaigners have to get out there in the next year and target those that are undecided/unaware/scared of change and give them the facts and answers to their questions.

I have friends who don't vote and don't care one way or the other.. Which I'll never understand. I'll personally be voting yes so hopefully my children will grow up in a fair, prosperous and proud country.

Originally Posted by Lee.

I agree completely.. I think the Yes campaigners have to get out there in the next year and target those that are undecided/unaware/scared of change and give them the facts and answers to their questions.

I have friends who don't vote and don't care one way or the other.. Which I'll never understand. I'll personally be voting yes so hopefully my children will grow up in a fair, prosperous and proud country.

Are you emigrating?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would rather give the SNP a chance than the shower of **** that England has to chose between tbh

I actually feel closer to the Scottish than Southerners. They (from my experience anyway) are much nicer/friendlier people too.

Yes thats fine.


Of Course the Scotland Vote is just for them


I want them to Win.


Great for Export/Import

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No the PM has stated
its not a England Vs Scotland fight.
Its Scotland asking its wants to go it alone.

Debate on Radio 5 live now
Alex on it.



The PM is not getting into a Debate with Alex
Fact

Is David Cameron not also the Prime Minister of Scotland as well as England Wales and Northern Ireland.
This is not at all just an English/Scottish matter it is a UK matter and as leader and Prime Minister of the whole UK David Cameron should be clearly willing to lead the fight to keep the whole United Kingdom he was elected to serve and lead united.

If he has any idea at all too he should also be spelling out his plans, if any exist that is,to re-negotiate a better deal for the UK with the EU and detail the benefits as to them staying part of the UK.

He actually owes that to the whole UK and not just to Scotland,he is not just PM of England or part of it, unfortunately he is the PM of the whole UK and he cannot and should not be able to shy away from his responsibilites of keeping the UK together.

My guess is he knows Alex Salmond would and could tie him up in knots on all issues.

[arista]

The UK can go on (including Wales and N. Ireland)


And Scotland can go on free from Westminster

[Z]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm being slowly swayed towards independence, to be honest. Not because I think we would he instantly better off - but looking at the long-term prospects it seems like a sensible option. I actually think there would be a good few hard years or even decades to get through the teething problems. However... Currently it feels a lot like - despite the current governments fiddled figures - Britain is a sinking ship. It's still getting worse, economically and politically, especially for average working families, and I can't see things improving any time soon. And with that in mind... Scotland will be the first to be thrown to the wolves if things get much worse. Followed by the North of England, then Wales, then middle England, then the south and finally precious London. That's the order of importance.

I'm more concerned with my children's long-term wellbeing and prospects than my own short term comfort... So it's starting to seriously feel like a viable option.

It won't happen though, for one simple reason: most people are in the grips of political apathy, they dont understand the choice they're being asked to make, and when people don't understand a choice they will automatically stick with familiar territory. They feel like that's "safe", that "things are OK as they are". Not realising that the UK is in for some drastic changes either way... Either path is taking a risk.

This has been my main point whenever I've discussed the idea with friends. People in Scotland haven't been driven to a point where they've challenged their position in the United Kingdom. This has been a political movement by politicians, not a grass roots movement by the people of Scotland. So while there are a great number of people who are for independence with very valid and sound reasoning; they do not outnumber those who are either against it; don't see the point in it; or don't care about it.

However, like you, I've been pushed away from being firmly against independence as I've seen the country descend into a ludicrous farce under David Cameron's leadership. His decision making is going to alienate Scottish people even further and I think that if he continues to do so, people who are hesitant to push for Scottish independence will be kicked off that ship and take the plunge into voting for it. Scotland is not a right wing nation, it never has been and it never will be.

Originally Posted by Zee

This has been my main point whenever I've discussed the idea with friends. People in Scotland haven't been driven to a point where they've challenged their position in the United Kingdom. This has been a political movement by politicians, not a grass roots movement by the people of Scotland. So while there are a great number of people who are for independence with very valid and sound reasoning; they do not outnumber those who are either against it; don't see the point in it; or don't care about it.

However, like you, I've been pushed away from being firmly against independence as I've seen the country descend into a ludicrous farce under David Cameron's leadership. His decision making is going to alienate Scottish people even further and I think that if he continues to do so, people who are hesitant to push for Scottish independence will be kicked off that ship and take the plunge into voting for it. Scotland is not a right wing nation, it never has been and it never will be.

Don't think you're special. He alienates motherlanders just as much as colonists.

[arista]

"going to alienate Scottish people even
further and I think that if he continues
to do so, people who are hesitant
to push for Scottish independence"


Yes Zee
The Fire is Burning


Free Scotland from Westminster

[Z]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Don't think you're special. He alienates motherlanders just as much as colonists.

I don't, but Scotland is the only part of the UK with an active independence drive on the go.

[fingers]

No, arista
there is
no fire
burning.

It died with Thatcher.

another sign

of the times.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I like this post it's a refreshing change from the all too common attitude of "**** em.. Let them go it alone and see how long they survive without being subsidised by us!" Blah blah blah

Is this aimed at me lee?...
What about the **** you jimmy we have the oil so you can all kiss it blah blah blah?...

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is this aimed at me lee?...
What about the **** you jimmy we have the oil so you can all kiss it blah blah blah?...

It's not aimed at you at all kizzy.. I'm referring to comments like this..

http://wingsoverscotland.com/speking-there-branez/

[Alf]

Odds

No to Independence 1/7
Yes to Independence 4/1

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Alex is Live on BBC1HD now

Stop calling him "alex" his name is Mr. Salmond to you.

[lostalex]

unfortunately people are pussies these days. everyone will vote for the status quo.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Stop calling him "alex" his name is Mr. Salmond to you.

Alex Salmond


I can call him Alex.
Fact

[fingers]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Stop calling him "alex" his name is Mr. Salmond to you.

He's wee fat Eck up here!