[Liam-]

Being investigated for being a supportive parent and doing her job.. women will be investigated for voting on women’s issues before long and then people will be up in arms, it’s a disgrace

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Being investigated for being a supportive parent and doing her job.. women will be investigated for voting on women’s issues before long and then people will be up in arms, it’s a disgrace

Bit rich you pretending to care about women's rights and our right to a voice in them.........

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

No, just No, i don't think in trans men, trans women terms though when being against transphobia


i think it wouldn't bother me

How can you call it " Transphobia" ?! , when there's been countless cases of predators abusing women...... and exposing themselves to women and girls in places that were supposed to be ' women only safe spaces'. But because they think by identifying as ' a woman ' they can get a free pass to do what they want.

Were you asleep when Isla whatever their name was being placed in a female jail by Sturgeon, despite the fact this person was a sex offender who conveniently identified as ' female ' after he got caught. Suddenly a wig is on his head and painted nail polish,and we're meant to call him a " she / her" , how insulting to the victims.

You'll never be bothered Nicky because you'll never have trans men sneaking through loopholes around you whilst trying to hurt you , as on a whole they're a less threat . And you're not a woman so you won't fully understand.

[Crimson Dynamo]

not the kids will die if we dont mutilate them lie?

Is that still a thing?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Incorrect, she said if they passed these laws they would have blood on their hands if and when people end up doing harm to themselves as a result and she cited stories from a source of just that happening, she didn’t call them murderers, she correctly stated that these laws would lead to direct harm to people, it’s a fact

it's not incorrect, telling them they would have blood on their hands is accusing them of being murderers and she refused to apologise and stirred up a mob of protesters that broke into the chamber.

She wanted to be suspended and make a fuss rather than let democracy play out. Those are the facts

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Bit rich you pretending to care about women's rights and our right to a voice in them.........

I’ve been a very vocal proponent of woman’s rights on this forum for years, I’ve had many debates with people you’re now sided with over women’s right, if anybody on this forum pretends to care about women it certainly isn’t me, it’s the folks on your side that only ‘care’ about women because it gives them the chance to trash trans people

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’ve been a very vocal proponent of woman’s rights on this forum for years, I’ve had many debates with people you’re now sided with over women’s right, if anybody on this forum pretends to care about women it certainly isn’t me, it’s the folks on your side that only ‘care’ about women because it gives them the chance to trash trans people

A proponent of women's rights as long as it doesn't affect men's rights to stomp all over them, eh Liam? If you can't even admit the reason why women need our right to spaces away from biological men then you can't be for women.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's not incorrect, telling them they would have blood on their hands is accusing them of being murderers and she refused to apologise and stirred up a mob of protesters that broke into the chamber.

She wanted to be suspended and make a fuss rather than let democracy play out. Those are the facts

People went into the public gallery (legally) and protested the silencing of a trans person, democratically elected to represent her constituents, because she pushed back against anti-trans bills

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A proponent of women's rights as long as it doesn't affect men's rights to stomp all over them, eh Liam? If you can't even admit the reason why women need our right to spaces away from biological men then you can't be for women.

I don’t want anybodies rights to be trampled, hence the entire reason I can’t support a movement that is purposely trying to eradicate the rights of an entire demographic of people

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t want anybodies rights to be trampled, hence the entire reason I can’t support a movement that is purposely trying to eradicate the rights of an entire demographic of people

Yes you do. You want men to have the right to access women's spaces. Women are an entire demographic of people too with our own specific needs, our need for spaces away from men is biological, it's physical

[Liam-]

Nah, I want trans people to continue to have the rights they already have, to use public spaces that align with their identity

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nah, I want trans people to continue to have the rights they already have, to use public spaces that align with their identity

That's code talk for I want men to be able to use womens spaces....

[Liam-]

Nah, that’s very plain talk that I want trans people to keep the rights they have and have enjoyed for over a decade

[Livia]

Women are not being taken seriously. Maybe we should arm ourselves? Who wants to put themselves in danger by using a women only space where biological men are allowed? Post-op transsexuals, I don't have a problem with, just the mentally ill.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nah, that’s very plain talk that I want trans people to keep the rights they have and have enjoyed for over a decade

"I want transwomen's rights to trump women's rights......."

[Liam-]

Nah, I just want trans people not to be discriminated against for who they are, I don’t see anybody as more important as anybody else, there is no reason whatsoever why trans rights and women’s rights can’t coexist peacefully

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's code talk for I want men to be able to use womens spaces....

they identify as women after their sex change operation though

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nah, I just want trans people not to be discriminated against for who they are, I don’t see anybody as more important as anybody else, there is no reason whatsoever why trans rights and women’s rights can’t coexist peacefully

There are lots of ways our rights clash, as you know but go ahead and stick your fingers in your ears and pretend women don't have valid concerns

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

they identify as women after their sex change operation though

So only transwomen who've had a sex change operation should be allowed in women's spaces then is your stance on the issue Nicky?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Every article I've read on this has been ratio'd to **** in the comments section (Irish articles mainly) all backing JKR and hoping our entry flops now

Yeah, where is their 'unity and kindness' for the rape victim? Unbelievable self serving BS. I hope it totally backfires on them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Yeah, where is their 'unity and kindness' for the rape victim? Unbelievable self serving BS. I hope it totally backfires on them.

2023 and misgendering is a bigger crime then actual rape, am I shocked? No. It's a very sad situation though

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

For the crime of being transgender and speaking out against their anti-trans bills

guess she is getting to know how it feels not to have her voice heard eh? will she lose her job as women have though?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

2023 and misgendering is a bigger crime then actual rape, am I shocked? No. It's a very sad situation though

The way I see it if you've committed something as vile as rape or murder then don't expect me to get your pronouns correctly.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nah, I just want trans people not to be discriminated against for who they are, I don’t see anybody as more important as anybody else, there is no reason whatsoever why trans rights and women’s rights can’t coexist peacefully

absolutely, but its going to take compromise on BOTH sides not just women rolling over because...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nah, I just want trans people not to be discriminated against for who they are, I don’t see anybody as more important as anybody else, there is no reason whatsoever why trans rights and women’s rights can’t coexist peacefully

They did coexist until the T & Q in the LGBTQ community wanted special treatment just for being 'trans'. Plus it's given an open door for anyone pretending to be trans ,to cross dressers , to drag queens , to predators to take advantage of the system. And why are all those things now lumped under the 'trans' label .

I have a question Liam ...where do non binary people go ? . If they don't identify as either then which space do they use ?.