[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

I didn’t even know you could go to the titanic as a tourist.
Now everyone knows
And in the future is will definitely be a bucket list thing when the equipment and experience is much better
Funny how such a terrible thing will actually be great publicity in the future

Yes. At the moment we don't have the technology yet.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Titanic will only be there a few more years before is gone forever, 30 years they reckon, before it disintigrates. Plus, it's a grave... Charging rich people to gawp at it doesn't sit well with me.

Concentration camps, 9/11, pearl habour, jfk museum, Hiroshima museum, Ho Chi Minh mausoleum, pinochet museum… I’ve been to the all.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Titanic will only be there a few more years before is gone forever, 30 years they reckon, before it disintigrates. Plus, it's a grave... Charging rich people to gawp at it doesn't sit well with me.

Til the very last piece remains people will go. Infact the less that remains the more people will go because it will be a “last chance” to see thing.

[bots]

I've done some things over the years that when i look back were risky as hell. I think if your mind is set on doing something, it blocks out potential consequences. That doesn't apply to other peoples welfare though and subjecting a family member to unacceptable risk to satisfy your own dream is just a no no

[Livia]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Concentration camps, 9/11, pearl habour, jfk museum, Hiroshima museum, Ho Chi Minh mausoleum, pinochet museum… I’ve been to the all.

I'm sure you believe that.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I've done some things over the years that when i look back were risky as hell. I think if your mind is set on doing something, it blocks out potential consequences. That doesn't apply to other peoples welfare though and subjecting a family member to unacceptable risk to satisfy your own dream is just a no no

But you should always make sure there is a safety procedure in case things go wrong.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But you should always make sure there is a safety procedure in case things go wrong.

That CEO that died
did not take on the Danger


Also having 5 could be too many

Best for 2 people

[arista]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Concentration camps, 9/11, pearl habour, jfk museum, Hiroshima museum, Ho Chi Minh mausoleum, pinochet museum… I’ve been to the all.

how nice

[Cherie]

stbf we only have the aunts words that the son was terrified and didn't want to do it and apparently she and her brother had not spoken in years as they did not agree with her lifestyle choices, so you have to wonder at her motives, bad enough for the family without an aunt who is not part of the family putting the boot in, she didn't look exactly grieving on camera this morning, pretty composed really, I know that everyone reacts differently, but it seems a ****ty thing to say given there is a sister (and I presume other closer family members) out there

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

stbf we only have the aunts words that the son was terrified and didn't want to do it and apparently she and her brother had not spoken in years as they did not agree with her lifestyle choices, so you have to wonder at her motives, bad enough for the family without an aunt who is not part of the family putting the boot in, she didn't look exactly grieving on camera this morning, pretty composed really, I know that everyone reacts differently, but it seems a ****ty thing to say given there is a sister (and I presume other closer family members) out there

Being very cynical as I am - I said something similar in the office this morning. They were estranged but hearing this made her remember her love for her brother is what I read - which could be true or the possibility of a slice of the will??

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Being very cynical as I am - I said something similar in the office this morning. They were estranged but hearing this made her remember her love for her brother is what I read - which could be true or the possibility of a slice of the will??

oh I didn't even think of the Will but I just thought to myself even if he was terrified you wouldn't put it out there as it makes the Dad look like he pressured him unnecessarily

sistas in cynicism !

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

which could be true or the possibility of a slice of the will??

I mean I don't think he'll be changing it now . If she's in the will she's in it, if she's not she's a bit late!

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm sure you believe that.

I’ll literally post pics from each, you so jealous.

[UserSince2005]

My hotel overlooking 9/11

[UserSince2005]

Pinochet museum

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I mean I don't think he'll be changing it now . If she's in the will she's in it, if she's not she's a bit late!

we are talking pakistan here and the serious sums of money involved make it highly likely there will be legal challenges to the will. It could easily be setting the scene for that

[Cherie]

n Loving Memory: Honouring the Legacies of Father and Son, Shahzada and Suleman Dawood... The family's statement in full
With profound sorrow, we mourn the tragic loss of Shahzada and his beloved son, Suleman, who had embarked on a journey to visit the remnants of the legendary Titanic in the depths of the Atlantic Ocean. These beloved sons of the Dawood family were aboard the Ocean Gate submersible that has been presumed lost at sea. In this unfathomable tragedy, we try to find solace in the enduring legacy of humility and humanity that they have left behind and find comfort in the belief that they passed on to the next leg of their spiritual journey hand-in-hand, father and son.

'The relationship between Shahzada and Suleman was a joy to behold; they were each other's greatest supporters and cherished a shared passion for adventure and exploration of all the world had to offer them. This unwavering curiosity built the foundation for a close friendship between the two and inspired those around them to develop a similar passion for learning. By being as they were with one another, they embodied valuable lessons on the pursuit of knowledge, exploration of the unknown, and bonds of familial friendship.

'Family values are a guiding beacon for the Dawood family and Shahzada always strived to emulate these, teaching his children to do the same. He was passionate about philanthropy and giving back because above all, he cared deeply about people and human development. He was an avid gardener and photographer, always on the lookout for technology and tools that would help him improve; these hobbies were an extension of his passion to better himself. On this count, Shahzada was consistent – he encouraged everyone around him to elevate their capabilities by learning and trying new things to become better versions of themselves. He was constantly excited to learn more about the world around him and was an ardent animal lover – he had two pets, a dog named Stig and a cat named Proteus, who would sometimes make their presence felt in videoconference meetings that Shahzada was part of. Shahzada was focused on extending the entrepreneurial legacy of the family with the setup of businesses in renewable energy and technology domains, with an ardent belief that these would engender prosperity for thousands of Pakistani families. As the Vice Chairman of the Board of Engro Corporation, and one of its longest standing directors, he was instrumental in directing the organization to solve meaningful problems for Pakistan; his legacy will be felt on by the number of public services Engro will continue to provide in the future.

'Suleman, much like his father, was also deeply committed to serve. His excitement to join Engro after he graduated could not be contained, culminating in an internship in the summer of 2022 to learn more about the organization that his family was such a passionate believer in; Suleman is remembered fondly by Engro colleagues as a tall young man walking around with his beloved Rubik's cube and a smile on his face. He loved science fiction literature and volleyball but his greatest quality was the humility he espoused which was a true reflection of his parents' upbringing. He was keenly aware of the past efforts of his family that enabled him to have the experiences he did, and he never took them for granted; he remained grounded and humble and emotionally wise beyond his years. A sociable companion, Suleman was admired by his friends at university and loved dearly by his sister and young cousins, who often looked up to 'Suleman bhai' for friendship, advice, and laughter.

'Shahzada and Suleman were loved by all members of the wider family but they were especially cherished by Christine (wife and mother) and Alina (daughter and sister). Shahzada and Alina shared a true father-daughter relationship; they were affectionate with each other, would often cook together, and had very philosophical conversations about life. At the center of this family was Christine, who held them all together like glue, having fully devoted herself to these wonderful individuals whom she fiercely loved and protected.

'Shahzada's and Suleman's absence will be felt deeply by all those who had the privilege of knowing this pair. It is difficult to articulate the grief of the immediate Dawood family, including not only Christine and Alina, but also parents, Hussain and Kulsum Dawood, and Shahzada's siblings and their spouses. During this tragic time, we ask everyone to respect the sentiments and privacy of the bereaved family as they come to terms with the loss of two of their dearest members.

[Cherie]

I think auntie is fibbing, and now I read it was a relative who told her he was terrified so not even first hand account

[UserSince2005]

Don't delete my posts because it ruins the context and doesnt call her out for her jealous bull****.

[Cherie]

The owner and pilot of the Titan submersible that imploded in the Atlantic Ocean this week, sparking a massive search and rescue mission, attempted to sell two tickets to the trip at a significantly-reduced price and dismissed safety concerns raised by the prospective customer, leaked text messages have shown.

Las Vegas financier Jay Bloom, who said he was considering the underwater voyage for him and his son, was offered a "last minute price" of Ł120,000 per person, a discount on the usual Ł195,000 fee, by Stockton Rush.

When Mr Bloom hesitated, he was assured by Mr Rush that a mission on the Titan submersible was "safer than crossing the street", reports Daily Mail.

Shahzada Dawood, 48, and his son Suleman, who was just 19, ended up replacing Mr Bloom and his own son, and the financier issued a statement expressing his condolences to their family, as well as Mr Rush's.

In a Facebook post he said: "I expressed safety concerns and Stockton told me: 'While there's obviously risk - it's way safer than flying in a helicopter or even scuba diving'.

"He was absolutely convinced that it was safer than crossing the street. I am sure he really believed what he was saying. But he was very wrong."

In February this year Stockton Rush repotedly asked Mr Bloom and his son Sean to go on the dive to Titanic in May. Both May dives were postponed due to weather and the dive got delayed until June 18, the date of the ill-fated trip.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/tech...93a2c350c&ei=8

another father and son declined to go and the Dawoods took their place

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The owner and pilot of the Titan submersible that imploded in the Atlantic Ocean this week, sparking a massive search and rescue mission, attempted to sell two tickets to the trip at a significantly-reduced price and dismissed safety concerns raised by the prospective customer, leaked text messages have shown.

Las Vegas financier Jay Bloom, who said he was considering the underwater voyage for him and his son, was offered a "last minute price" of Ł120,000 per person, a discount on the usual Ł195,000 fee, by Stockton Rush.

When Mr Bloom hesitated, he was assured by Mr Rush that a mission on the Titan submersible was "safer than crossing the street", reports Daily Mail.

Shahzada Dawood, 48, and his son Suleman, who was just 19, ended up replacing Mr Bloom and his own son, and the financier issued a statement expressing his condolences to their family, as well as Mr Rush's.

In a Facebook post he said: "I expressed safety concerns and Stockton told me: 'While there's obviously risk - it's way safer than flying in a helicopter or even scuba diving'.

"He was absolutely convinced that it was safer than crossing the street. I am sure he really believed what he was saying. But he was very wrong."

In February this year Stockton Rush repotedly asked Mr Bloom and his son Sean to go on the dive to Titanic in May. Both May dives were postponed due to weather and the dive got delayed until June 18, the date of the ill-fated trip.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/tech...93a2c350c&ei=8

another father and son declined to go and the Dawoods took their place

I bet they got a "deal".

This Stockton Rush is a disgrace, he wasnt fit to be car salesman.

wheeler dealer who sentenced people to death

The fact he found it fun and gloated about how makeshift the sub was makes me sick.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In a Facebook post he said: "I expressed safety concerns and Stockton told me: 'While there's obviously risk - it's way safer than flying in a helicopter or even scuba diving'.

To be fair, although clearly the worst did happen, there's not enough data to know that this isn't true... as people do actually die doing both of those things all the time. Remember The Clutha in Glasgow . My dad saw that happen.

Or more recently Kobe Bryant et al.

[bots]

if you have a malfunction in a helicopter, or walking across the street, you still have a reasonable chance of coming out alive. If you have a malfunction in a sub 2 miles down, not so much. It's not just the chance of failure, it's also the chance of survival on a failure. A sub doesn't hold up to that type of scrutiny

[Nicky91]

how small that capsule is, well i think anyone who has ever been in that, can know how tuna must feel like in a can


i mean titanic is awesome for historical and educational value, true but leave ''sightseeing'' to the professionals, and all of us tourists more with the film and the documentaries


i feel saddest for the 19 yr old boy it seems he was really scared too, but he went along for his dad

[arista]

Yes the 19 year old lad
did not want to go.