[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

#trumpiscominghome

I can't wait till Monday to see what Piers Morgan thinks of it all

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

lmao the balloon

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

look how high the blimp went

Spoiler:

I thought it was going to be huge, why did they need permission for that, a kite would go higher

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

They'd done better to make the balloon with an image that was a more powerful than an "infant Trump" (not emotionally invocative imo), attach it to the top of a van with a bitchin' decal with a similar theme and then drive it around the city in the most annoying fashion possible honking at people... that would've been far more effective than flying a color-washed Trump balloon down the street... people would've stood outside looking for it and it would've probably been all over social media. It would've not only gotten the point across, but would've been more fun to follow I think...

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I can't wait till Monday to see what Piers Morgan thinks of it all

Didn't think Piers can be seen as his head is so far up Trump's rear end .
Farage usually has his head up there as well.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Maru

They'd done better to make the balloon with an image that was a more powerful than an "infant Trump" (not emotionally invocative imo), attach it to the top of a van with a bitchin' decal with a similar theme and then drive it around the city in the most annoying fashion possible honking at people... that would've been far more effective than flying a color-washed Trump balloon down the street... people would've stood outside looking for it and it would've probably been all over social media. It would've not only gotten the point across, but would've been more fun to follow I think...

It could have an unannounced zigzag all through the country - no-one would be sure if it was heading for their town! It'd be fun to follow it on twitter, see the trail of selfies, wondering if the #TrumpVan would be coming near you!

But no, it's invoking a joke which stopped being funny about a year ago, in a form which hovers a few feet above the ground for a limited time.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It could have an unannounced zigzag all through the country - no-one would be sure if it was heading for their town! It'd be fun to follow it on twitter, see the trail of selfies, wondering if the #TrumpVan would be coming near you!

But no, it's invoking a joke which stopped being funny about a year ago, in a form which hovers a few feet above the ground for a limited time.

Right, I don't see this generating that much political conversation aside from a derivative reference.... the balloon is generating more of a dialogue about itself than of Trump... a weak idea, but poorly executed, imo... it would make very nice memorabilia though after someone buys it off of Ebay and "enshrines" it in their garage with associated newspaper clippings.

[Ammi]

...I just think that focusing on the balloon in terms of its success or failure to launch...is kind of missing the point really...the point of ‘Britian being great again’ in one of the ways that surely have contributed to a ‘Great Britian’...the right of people to exercise peaceful protest and take a voice against something that goes against their greatness...to not follow but to lead, to not take a stance of...of oh this is a world leader, a world leader that some of us don’t believe in...but we have to welcome him anyway because that’s the ‘done thing’ with these things, that’s the European way...(...even though the European way was apparently not a great way and something as a country we voted to be no part of...)...we just have to put up, hush up and not express our voice...it doesn’t matter that the balloon didn’t take flight...the really important thing surely is that some people were trying to put the great back into Britian, no matter what the controversy...that they stood up for something they believed in...or rather, stood up against something/someone that they didn’t believe in...and it doesn’t matter whether it was a minority or a majority voice because minority voices have equality to majority voices...so well done all of those who supported the balloon in whichever way they supported it......

....it’s funny because one of the things Trump has apparently said is that all other US presidents that have gone before him...have had values and beliefs much the same as his...and yet we’re too afraid, to reluctant to try to bring changes or whatever...that they just weren’t ‘brave’ enough...but he is THAT president who has found his voice and his bravery..THAT president that the world has been waiting for...etc, etc, good old Donald..well some UK people were brave enough as well...they were brave enough to not just follow but to attempt that balloon and brave enough to send their message...I mean surely, that’s every apparent value that he holds as well...so he should be fully appreciate the greatness that tried to launch the balloon...it should have put a little smile of irony on his face...#great is coming home, Donald as displayed with that balloon attempt...

...whether it failed to launch or not is really not the point of it....

[Brillopad]

Peaceful ptotest is one thing but attempting to mock the president in such an infantile way makes them no better. They call him childish - really, maybe they should look a bit closer to home. Is that their brilliant solution - if you can’t beat em join em. Sounds like they have already admitted defeat. Well they have certainly shown the world whose boss!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Peaceful ptotest is one thing but attempting to mock the president in such an infantile way makes them no better. They call him childish - really, maybe they should look a bit closer to home. Is that there brilliant argument - if you can’t beat em join em. Sounds like they have already admitted defeat.

...the protesters haven’t ‘joined ‘em’ though, Brillo...there is actionary and reactionary...Trump has taken action in encouraging prejudice and intolerance against a neighbouring country...and it seems also African and Middle Eastern countries in being particularly vocal in not wanting immigration from those world areas...maybe it’s because the skin colour is not quite what he perceives as being the good old American skin colour of his acceptability..?...I don’t know, it’s hard to fathom with him because he’s a ocean of contradictions...but reactionary to his beliefs and his actions is the voice that spoke out in protest...actionary and reactionary are not always of equal value...putting a balloon in the air to say...No Trump your value are not welcome here because we’re trying to make Britian great again is not of equal value to encouraging prejudice against another country’s people...one is very harmful and the other is...well, fairly harmless...the very opposite of each other, really...

[lime]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the protesters haven’t ‘joined ‘em’ though, Brillo...there is actionary and reactionary...Trump has taken action in encouraging prejudice and intolerance against a neighbouring country...and it seems also African and Middle Eastern countries in being particularly vocal in not wanting immigration from those world areas...maybe it’s because the skin colour is not quite what he perceives as being the good old American skin colour of his acceptability..?...I don’t know, it’s hard to fathom with him because he’s a ocean of contradictions...but reactionary to his beliefs and his actions is the voice that spoke out in protest...actionary and reactionary are not always of equal value...putting a balloon in the air to say...No Trump your value are not welcome here because we’re trying to make Britian great again is not of equal value to encouraging prejudice against another country’s people...one is very harmful and the other is...well, fairly harmless...the very opposite of each other, really...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the protesters haven’t ‘joined ‘em’ though, Brillo...there is actionary and reactionary...Trump has taken action in encouraging prejudice and intolerance against a neighbouring country...and it seems also African and Middle Eastern countries in being particularly vocal in not wanting immigration from those world areas...maybe it’s because the skin colour is not quite what he perceives as being the good old American skin colour of his acceptability..?...I don’t know, it’s hard to fathom with him because he’s a ocean of contradictions...but reactionary to his beliefs and his actions is the voice that spoke out in protest...actionary and reactionary are not always of equal value...putting a balloon in the air to say...No Trump your value are not welcome here because we’re trying to make Britian great again is not of equal value to encouraging prejudice against another country’s people...one is very harmful and the other is...well, fairly harmless...the very opposite of each other, really...

Skin colour is just a straw man in my opinion. Skin colour often represents culture and belief systems that are backward, misogynistic and not conducive to the Western way of life. Many people from these cultures are not looking to assimilate and fit in to the countries they want to enter just to reap the economical rewards of the more prosperous cultures created by people with a different more forward way of thinking. It is very self-serving in exactly the same way as people accuse the West of being.

Whatever people think of Trump he is trying to protect America from more crime and violence - which is why so many are behind him.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Skin colour is just a straw man in my opinion. Skin colour often represents culture and belief systems that are backward, misogynistic and not conducive to the Western way of life. Many people from these cultures are not looking to assimilate and fit in to the countries they want to enter just to reap the economical rewards of the more prosperous cultures created by people with a different more forward way of thinking. It is very self-serving in exactly the same way as people accuse the West of being.

By "many" people from those cultures not looking to assimilate...do you know that as fact or you referring to a feeling

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Skin colour is just a straw man in my opinion. Skin colour often represents culture and belief systems that are backward, misogynistic and not conducive to the Western way of life. Many people from these cultures are not looking to assimilate and fit in to the countries they want to enter just to reap the economical rewards of the more prosperous cultures created by people with a different more forward way of thinking. It is very self-serving in exactly the same way as people accuse the West of being.

Whatever people think of Trump he is trying to protect America from more crime and violence - which is why so many are behind him.

...the way to protect violence and crime though, Brillo...is to address violence and crime...(...like in addressing gun laws, for instance..)...nothing is protected by persecution if people from other countries or intolerance of them...or encouraging prejudice against other countries and cultures...the USA make the laws and (...whatever culture...)...those laws will be enforced when crimes are committed...the only ‘targeting’ necessary, is the targeting of violence and crime...because that’s what he is apparently protecting against...and that makes perfect sense and is perfectly understandable...Trump though does not make any sense at all...except the sense that he wants ‘all to obey’ the word and beliefs of the Donald...

[bots]

Let's look at one of the key topic Trump has involved himself in ... Brexit.

He stated at the press conference in front of the world yesterday that he was in Scotland the day before the brexit vote and that he predicted the result 100% correctly .... wasn't he clever.

The facts are that he arrived in Scotland the day after the brexit vote, when the vote result had already been announced .... Believe it or not .... i'm 100% correct when I make predictions like that

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the way to protect violence and crime though, Brillo...is to address violence and crime...(...like in addressing gun laws, for instance..)...nothing is protected by persecution if people from other countries or intolerance of them...or encouraging prejudice against other countries and cultures...the USA make the laws and (...whatever culture...)...those laws will be enforced when crimes are committed...the only ‘targeting’ necessary, is the targeting of violence and crime...because that’s what he is apparently protecting against...and that makes perfect sense and is perfectly understandable...Trump though does not make any sense at all...except the sense that he wants ‘all to obey’ the word and beliefs of the Donald...

‘Those laws will be enforced when crimes are commited’ - after the horse has bolted Ammi. It’s a bit late for the victims by then - they may already be dead. Sorry I believe in prevention first and foremost. I don’t want to see a long line of emotionally scarred or dead people with their attackers in Jail. I want to see those people alive and enjoying their lives. Not such a big ask.

[lime]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Let's look at one of the key topic Trump has involved himself in ... Brexit.

He stated at the press conference in front of the world yesterday that he was in Scotland the day before the brexit vote and that he predicted the result 100% correctly .... wasn't he clever.

The facts are that he arrived in Scotland the day after the brexit vote, when the vote result had already been announced .... Believe it or not .... i'm 100% correct when I make predictions like that

IT's gas to watch on live TV....But it also sad to see some trying to make his lies good

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

‘Those laws will be enforced when crimes are commited’ - after the horse has bolted Ammi. It’s a bit late for the victims by then - they may already be dead. Sorry I believe in prevention first and foremost. I don’t want to see a long line of emotionally scarred or dead people with their attackers in Jail. I want to see those people alive and enjoying their lives. Not such a big ask.

...well yeah that’s usually the way that crimes go, Brillo...the crime has to be committed first before the punishment can come...I mean, that horse has to bolt first surely...you can’t prevent something when you don’t know that thing is going to happen...building walls won’t prevent crime because it’s not just Mexicans who commit crimes in the USA...if they do though, they won’t get any special treatment...they do the crime, they serve the time like everyone else and all being equal...if crime is what Trump wants to prevent then that’s what he has to target and that’s what he has to focus on....’preventative’ is targeting high crime areas and the reasons for that, like poverty...?...and focusing some help and changes their with community care and policing...etc, etc...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...well yeah that’s usually the way that crimes go, Brillo...the crime has to be committed first before the punishment can come...I mean, that horse has to bolt first surely...you can’t prevent something when you don’t know that thing is going to happen...building walls won’t prevent crime because it’s not just Mexicans who commit crimes in the USA...if they do though, they won’t get any special treatment...they do the crime, they serve the time like everyone else and all being equal...if crime is what Trump wants to prevent then that’s what he has to target and that’s what he has to focus on....’preventative’ is targeting high crime areas and the reasons for that, like poverty...?...and focusing some help and changes their with community care and policing...etc, etc...

My point is Ammi that if you let in large numbers of undocumented illegal immigrants - that increases the risk of letting in more dangerous criminals and therefore more victims. That can be prevented by stricter border controls and focusing on protecting the legal citizens of that country.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

My point is Ammi that if you let in large numbers of undocumented illegal immigrants - that increases the risk of letting in more dangerous criminals and therefore more victims. That can be prevented by stricter border controls and focusing on protecting the legal citizens of that country.

...but you know, Brillo....if we all restricted birth a little bit more, the birth of our ‘undocumented’ children...those little unknowns that could grow up to become criminals and create victims etc...that also could be seen as a good prevent measure, if we stop producing children then there would be no risk of producing a criminal...potentially...?...but that wouldn’t be a good way, would it...the target and the focus always has to be on the criminal and on violence, as you say that is what is to be prevented...it would be foolish to overlook an individual’s past if there was a history of persistent and consistent criminal activity...so yeah, security checks etc do have to be something..it would be foolish not to do them...it’s very important that, that time is taken...if a person who had much criminal activity in their past were allowed into a country with full knowledge of that activity..?...then yes, that would increase the risk, as it were...but when there is no such activity at all of any criminal past...then there is nothing to suggest a ‘prevent’ is needed....it’s a case by case thing, not a whole country of people or countries of people thing...we look at the risks, we assess the risks, we restrict if risks are found applicable...and then we allow immigration to happen...no more or less a leap of faith than having a child, really....if our ‘values’ are not adopted in terms of breaking laws etc and harming people...then there will be repercussions for that...

[arista]

[Police search for Trump protester who breached no-fly zone
in Scotland.]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...mpression=true

[Greenpeace Paraglider committed a criminal offence
Scottish police say they are trying to trace a paraglider who flew a Greenpeace protest banner over the golf resort that President Donald Trump is staying at.]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-prot...-club-11436618


Video
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-448...scottish-hotel


The Greenpeace para-glider made President Trump goes inside
the building

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Trump now just down the road from me playing golf after a very successful UK visit

job done and another win for Trump

[lime]

Originally Posted by arista

[Police search for Trump protester who breached no-fly zone
in Scotland.]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...mpression=true

[Greenpeace Paraglider committed a criminal offence
Scottish police say they are trying to trace a paraglider who flew a Greenpeace protest banner over the golf resort that President Donald Trump is staying at.]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-prot...-club-11436618








Video
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-448...scottish-hotel


The Greenpeace para-glider made President Trump goes inside
the building

Arista you are fake news


I apreciate that you love US now despsite previously .......pre Brexit you were tellling us FM's that we as Europeanns were going to crash out and burn........

[arista]

"Arista you are fake news "

This is not not my View
The Greenpeace Protester boss
is on every news ch.


There is a Brexit thread
post on it
if you have valid views on the subject?
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...6#post10084376

[arista]

Protests
and Trump Blimp baby has arrived in Edinburgh...

Spoiler:

https://news.sky.com/story/live-prot...-club-11436618